🫧 Social coding commons

@mf_newsdigest@mastodon.mediafaro.org There's a campaign against these voyeur glasses, and a great sticker to raise awareness: https://banray.eu/en

Major updates were made to the delightful fediverse curated lists..

💎 delightful fediverse experience

• 52 new projects added
• 50 projects marked unmaintained
• 15 projects updated

New list categories:

• Professional networks
• Instant messaging
• Search engines
• Security and privacy

https://delightful.coding.social/delightful-fediverse-experience

💎 delightful fediverse development

• 18 new projects added
• 20 projects marked unmaintained
• 5 projects updated
• 7 projects removed
• Improved table of contents
• Listed SWICG / SocialCG task forces
• More improvements pending

New list categories:

• SWICG Task forces
• Data portability
• Developer hubs
• Data formats

https://delightful.coding.social/delightful-fediverse-development

💎 delightful fediverse clients

• 16 new projects added
• 33 projects marked unmaintained
• 5 projects updated
• 3 projects removed
• Separate section for unmaintained

https://delightful.coding.social/delightful-fediverse-clients

#ActivityPub #SocialWeb #fediverse

@Tweakers@mastodon.social hell yeah! Dat zouden meer artiesten moeten doen :) https://banray.eu/en cc @StopdeGluurbril@mastodon.nl

@_elena@mastodon.social Great offer @PaulaToThePeople@climatejustice.social 💕 Coincidentally yesterday was the first time ever I encountered Gendersternchen, and wondered if it was official writing style. Now I know the name to it. Thank you :) PS. Bumped into the * on the #jobs page of @sovtechfund@mastodon.social .. https://www.sovereign.tech/de/stellenangebote/technische_r-direktor_in

@whack@hachyderm.io My cousin had this with Booking.com to check in the tickets 2 days before the flight. Found out that most likely the #KLM flight had been cancelled, but Booking hadn't notified. So urgent action required. As it happens Booking.com does everything, EVERYTHING, to keep you away from speaking a real human for support. Going from online #AI chat to a #LLM on the phone. "Do you want to speak to support? Please press 2" --> reconnects to another AI. This took hours and hours. In the end my cousin got KLM directly on the line and they re-booked the flight with "Yeah, that's #Booking for ya, they are shite". For any company out there: Giving *real* human support is an absolute unique selling point worth some extra money by the consumer. My cousin swore never to use Booking ever again. I came to that conclusion the previous year on similar shebang.

@SabiLewSounds@mastodon.social @dlakelan@mastodon.sdf.org @cwebber@social.coop @andrewrk@mastodon.social Taking this a step further, there's even Opportunity that flows from the disruptive introduction (dumping) of LLMs into global society and damn all externalities. AI puts yet another layer of indirection between relationships that people have with each other. Its widespread use and the "digital transformation" trend in general (another bad hype) leads to further erosion of the social fabric of society. To the benefit of the power brokers who own the technology. But the other way to look at it is that Big Tech by offering all that, is in fact *retracting* from the market of directly serving people and their daily needs. Their inhumane services thus leave open market space, that can be filled in by small players that serve this niche instead. How many people are excited to bump into an AI chatbot online and on the phone, when they need support from a corporation? No one. Sustainable business and sustainable open social systems are the way.

@michael@westergaard.social Oh, another good page to consult is the delightful #forgejo curated list with a ton of good resources: https://delightful.coding.social/delightful-forgejo/

⚠️ DO NOT BUY: LG’s Spyware TVs, Monitors, and Wiretapping Concerns

The attached #video details the absolute #privacy horror of LG #television and #monitor products, that install #adware without consent, have #AI integration, and a horrible privacy policy..

LG recently forced upon us an app install loaded with #McAfee adware through a #Windows update. We found that this has been happening to tons of users, made worse by LG's shady history with #TV's that instruct buyers to inform house visitors of third-party microphones in their living room. At no point in the adware or application install did LG or Microsoft ask us for consent or permission to install the software and enable its various permissions. On monitors ranging 1 day old in our office to 3 years old, we've been able to replicate these issues -- including on the LG 34GX900A-B that we just bought (and have now returned, following #spyware concerns).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9uefFYe6bM

@johannab@cosocial.ca The other day I bumped into a news flash telling how it is becoming trendy among GenZ kids in the US to go fully offline. I am in the Netherlands and this weekend I was cycling next to this hipster kid on a skateboard and was astounded to see a big yellow Sony Sports walkman proudly dangling from their belt, with a wired headphones. Our kids are taking up the fight against the inhumane tech warez their parents helped create :D Let's hope the trend continues and spreads!

@_elena@mastodon.social @aral@mastodon.ar.al @EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu Unbelievable, and really disheartening. What a farce. I just commented yesterday that "sovereignty" had become this new fad, a business buzzword to indicate where the low-hanging revenue is for the big enterprises, like earlier the hollow phrase of "digital transformation" (digital transformation for the purpose of what?). This more anecdotal proof that this is indeed the case.. https://social.coop/@smallcircles/116759881586257835

"Post has 9 boosts" Clicks to see who boosted.. "No one has boosted this post yet. When someone does, they will show up here." *sigh* #Mastodon #fediverse #microblogging

The Secretary of Finance of the #Dutch #government has called the full migration of the ICT services of the Dutch Tax department to #Microsoft 365 to be halted, and to instead investigate how these services can be hosted on-premises or on sovereign #IT infrastructure that is managed by the department. Hurray for #DigitalSovereignty 🎉 https://www.adviescollegeicttoetsing.nl/documenten/2026/6/29/advies-microsoft-365

@julian @iftas@mastodon.iftas.org @silverpill@mitra.social Very nice! 👍 https://github.com/fedify-dev/feder

@fedify@hackers.pub Kudos to #Fedify 💪 It is so important to have robust frameworks be available that shield from all the low-level plumbing and hacking directly at protocol level.

@amenonsen@flipping.rocks @colinstu@birdbutt.com Even more so if you'd hear the whipping crack when it broke the sound barrier.

@steve@social.technoetic.com You might be interested to check out my posts around the concept "Community has no boundary" I talked about 5 years ago, e.g. in this topic: https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/standardizing-on-a-common-community-domain-as-ap-extension/1353 When I was still facilitator of #SocialHub I claimed that it wasn't a community in any really sense, with mostly people driving by on self-interested motives. It was just a discussion forum, where a poor commons janitor (me) had to do the unthankful volunteer upkeep. "Expectation mismatch" plays an important role when anyone mentions "community". A "community-driven #FOSS project" is partly the formal governance that is in place, but mostly implicit cultural aspects. Knowing what you can expect is important, to not get disappointed. A #fediverse instance to me isn't community. I only use the Home timeline. As we navigate fedi we 'weave' in and out of community seamlessly, without realizing it. A rich concept of inter-community social networking is possible, I think, but it should be carefully designed.

@dmathieu@fosstodon.org @steve@social.technoetic.com What fediverse is is in the eye of the beholder. Everyone has their own idea about it. That's kind of okay, I guess. There is a similar vagueness to what it means to be part of the web, though there's a technical definition to it. If there were only Mastodon, would there still be a fediverse with millions of people on it? It'd become superfuous perhaps. Many people already call the fediverse "Mastodon". For social networking I use the definition: Any direct or indirect human interaction between people. Which includes both offline and online. For the ActivityPub social network I take the conceptual architecture the open standard provides: A social graph of addressible actors that exchange activities with an object payload. And that I call the fediverse social networking environment. I consider fediverse a generic category word, same as web, and internet. Most people think of "existing social media.. but decentralized", Twitter, Facebook, Youtube et al done better.

@dmathieu@fosstodon.org NodeInfo isn't part of #ActivityPub and neither is it required to be implemented by fedi software. What #fediverse is and isn't is an interesting question. Does following between actors make the software on both ends part of the fediverse? Should a fediverse app support #microblogging? Be compatible with Mastodon? Perhaps being part of fediverse means if 2 independent 3rd-parties are able to interoperate with each other? Does that require sending Follow msgs? If someone has a federated Product catalogue that federates with itself and a 3rd-party Order delivery service, is it part of the fediverse? Even when no Follow is sent? It is undefined what being part of the fediverse means. There used to be a Federated Network Association (Feneas) as a major dev community besides #SocialHub, which defined fediverse as any software that implemented AP, #XMPP, or #Matrix protocol. @steve@social.technoetic.com even wrote that nothing even truly implements AP, and I tend to agree. https://www.stevebate.net/nothin-implements-activitypub/

@paddyduke@mastodon.social @hpod16@eupolicy.social @chroma@raccoonisland.social I was about to post the same. @_elena@mastodon.social has done a number of great posts on the matter. This one is a good starter: https://blog.elenarossini.com/w-social-public-institutions-and-the-theater-of-european-digital-sovereignty/

@jzb@hachyderm.io These people are complicit to the fascist regime. But I wonder how long these dinosaurs are able to fend off the oncoming comet of fresh progressive people in their party. Vote them dinosaurs out!

@sortius@infosec.exchange @jenniferplusplus@hachyderm.io Where it gets interesting I think is to consider the flip side of the coin. So big tech and the corporate world is all-in on AI technologies that serve to further erode social fabric of society, towards dystopic future if they have their way. A risk clearly perceived by many people who have a longing and human needs for real connection and social cohesion. Big tech AI does not deliver there. It does not address people's needs in these regards. Another way of formulating is saying that Big Tech is retracting from the 'market of real human connection'. In other words it leaves market space, places for people and small initiatives to most excellently fill these gaps. At the smaller scales, inter-community, across institutions and non-profits, small sustainable businesses, paying real attention to people and their needs instead of placing an artificial entity in front of them that separates them from others, becomes the true unique selling point for a commons.

@ifixcoinops@retro.social Modern websites are Rube Goldberg machines that rival ASML Litography machines in complexity to display plain text and some images.

#ThoughtProvoker 🤔

#Fediverse is a social network, right? About being different from corporate anti-social media. Has ambitions to be more diverse, inclusive, cohesive. To provide inter-community social networking where people with similar interests find each other and interact.

Like the #ActivityPub developer community, for instance. The group of people who make all this possible in the first place. Together they uphold the fediverse technology ecosystem and are collectively responsible for evolving it. They chose fediverse as their communication medium, dogfooding their creations, even though this comes with its disadvantages. #Microblogging is ephemeral and fleety and discussions are dispersed and fragmented. There are clear points of improvements for the #fedi, frequently discussed.

What's very odd is that most AP devs hardly:

1. Engage with other AP devs posts.
2. Boost each other's msgs for visibility.
3. Use hashtags for discoverability.

Low-hanging fruit for improvement?

@dansup@mastodon.social @Floppy@mastodon.me.uk What other names could that paper have created had it been written couple years later? Gotti Social Frodo Mark Smith Irene ...

@dansup@mastodon.social @sovtechfund@mastodon.social Congratulations Daniel! Let's forward those standards!! 💪 😃

@breizh@pleroma.breizh.pm @EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu This design is the first that the survey shows me. I love the birds, but the buildings are drab, corporate, and boring. Survey is flawed. It asks me whether I love it, but I cannot compare to the other designs before I make a choice.

@steve@social.technoetic.com Perhaps it is proper #ActivityPub Groups support. Lemmy already calls that "Community". And perhaps the retracted FEP-2100: Unbound Group and Organization to have Groups be independent of instances / multi-instance spanning, can be implemented in mainstream fedi to have a real fedi native concept of Groups (i.e. the abstract concept, not depending on an implementation detail).. https://fediverse.codeberg.page/fep/fep/2100

@michael@westergaard.social For the #ActivityPub and #ForgeFed implementation the #Forgejo contrib organization on #Codeberg has a separate repository and a roadmap they keep up-to-date. See: https://codeberg.org/forgejo-contrib/federation/src/branch/main/FederationRoadmap.md

@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz @rl_dane@polymaths.social Btw, I am keeping a list for myself on projects that enter the fediverse that use AI and/or are proprietary. I see these as risk factors to trigger unwanted corporate interest when they demonstrate there's open market space in the new niches they are exploring. And able to do that very quickly with LLM help, or more smartly (than the average FOSS project) with an enterpreneurial mindset. And the weird thing is.. there is another Harmony project with a similar but different codebase and different website. And this one has #ActivityPub support. It is also AI-coded (project was at v1.2 when the repo was only 2 weeks old, with a huge codebase): https://mony.lol https://github.com/y4my4my4m/harmony

@Bundesligatrainer@det.social @Gina@fosstodon.org @hdv@front-end.social@Codeberg@social.anoxinon.de also maintains a downstream fork to make customizations and optimizations that are needed for the scale they operate at. That can be found here: https://codeberg.org/Codeberg-Infrastructure/forgejo

@EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu wonderful! I fully support this message 😃 🚴 cc @notjustbikes@social.notjustbikes.com

@ozoned @itchio@mastodon.social Yea, things are dispersed. The #fediverse org at #Codeberg is a place where a host of people (co)maintain various fedi-related projects, most notably the #ActivityPub #FEP process. I maintain the 3 fedi curated lists there for https://delightful.coding.social initiative.

@hongminhee@hollo.social no problem at all. Yes, FEP's are wonderful way to keep track of all the various ways things are done across the fediverse.

@hongminhee@hollo.social

If you build on ActivityPub, a comment or a reaction there is worth more than another workaround.

Which is, umm.. far from ideal. In my long screed about the state of the fediverse my main plea was for the ecosystem of fedi devs caring collectively about the open and grassroots standardization processes. That way, after some time you get a standardization process that can 'stand on its own' i.e. make decisions on the best direction for the future, instead of always relying on the elephant in the room for any progress. There would be an incentive to follow this standardization process, which will never arise otherwise, and things remain "everyone together, alone".

https://coding.social/blog/grassroots-evolution/

@Bibliothecaris@social.edu.nl It is wonderful you are active on the #fediverse and are pondering these questions. Going #POSSE is already a huge step in the right direction. https://indieweb.org/POSSE PS. The share buttons under the article to either Facebook or LinkedIn stood out to me, given the subject matter :)

@klu9@ohai.social @homegrown@social.growyourown.services Great that you found the lists useful. There are 2 other fediverse-related list in the delightful commons initiative. https://delightful.coding.social #SX #SocialCoding #SocialWeb #ActivityPub

@fluffy@plush.city @christin@lsbt.me @kkarhan@c.im

xkcd 927 is a thought-terminating cliché that gets overly cited

Yes, I agree it is cited too often. I was hesitant to mention it for that reason, esp. since you clearly gave this a lot of thought, and I am just passing by giving feedback. The format appears to be complementary but also quite overlapping. Creating a new spec - depending on your expectations wrt adoption - takes a ton of effort to bring to any widespread use. But perhaps that is not needed.

Wrt AP I am thinking myself about a Protosocial protocol extension that forms an 'overlay network' of sorts, to help bring more rigour to various network communication patterns.

https://discuss.coding.social/t/protosocial-activitypub-protocol/665

It is on the slow burner, as I can't afford to spend time on it atm.

@christin@lsbt.me @fluffy@plush.city @kkarhan@c.im

Any implementation of a music collection on top of #ActivityPub would still have to implement the collection itself, and maintain standards for how backfilling works and how the collection is shaped, so why not start with a clean implementation that only provides the parts that are important to a music collection to begin with?

Yet I do wonder about https://xkcd.com/927

We often think about ActivityPub by how we experience it on the fediverse. But the fediverse rn is only a very particular implementation of AP, specialized to support microblogging and traditional social media use cases.

AP offers "a social graph of addressible actors to exchange activities with an object payload". Actors, activities, and objects are all fully customizable linked data, they can be anything, modeled to represent any domain.

With an ActivityPub API client you maintain your music collection locally, then publish and interact to a static site, or other interested actors.

@PaulaToThePeople@climatejustice.social @_elena@mastodon.social @sovtechfund@mastodon.social Yea. I don't have TV and not much news about my neighboring country trickles through, with some exceptions (AfD rise), and didn't know things were that bad in Germany already as these things being actively forbidden. Just horrid!

@nick@mammuthus.de @julian

Yes, it is shortened. The last sentence shown in Mastodon Web UI is:

Question re: double knock for AP devs who have implemented... is there a specific reason 9421-signed is sent first, and then cavage-12? [...]

I hadn't really noticed as it cut off right at the question mark :)

@julian great work! very interesting.

@silverpill@mitra.social @0xllx0 @general Yes, indeed. I found this the other day, and have queued it up for inclusion at https://delightful.coding.social/delightful-fediverse-development I also found the ongoing work on the #ForgeFed implementation, which is mighty interesting. Great work. Also queued up, but for inclusion at https://delightful.coding.social/delightful-fediverse-experience

@boss@xarxamontgri.masto.host @tchambers@indieweb.social This topic is where @CEDO@mastodon.nl is very active in the Netherlands backed by a large consortium of partners. I am sure they have materials that are applicable more broadly than our tiny country, and they have an English matrix chatroom to discuss these matters in more detail.

@julian nice to have a 3hr time slot! 😜

@breizh@pleroma.breizh.pm @EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu So I say "I don't like it" because of the buildings. And then later on it appears to be the best design of the set. Can you change choices afterwards?

@dmathieu@fosstodon.org I'd say yes. There is not an actual definition what member of / part of the fediverse means, or even what the fediverse is and isn't.

@freci@piaille.fr @breizh@pleroma.breizh.pm @EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu Thank you!

@ozoned @itchio@mastodon.social This might be a good idea to track on https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fediverse-ideas/issues Note that a couple of years ago a number of #fedijam #fedijam2022 were organized via #itch and there was a lot of interest to participate at the time. https://itch.io/jam/fedi-jam-3

@PaulaToThePeople@climatejustice.social @_elena@mastodon.social @sovtechfund@mastodon.social Wow. That blows the mind 🤯 :(

@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz @rl_dane@polymaths.social I am not mixing in the discussion that rages on. I am generally anti-AI/LLM for the utterly disruptive way it is introduced into society and damn all externalities, and the parties (Big Tech, Big Corpo et al, Epstein class) who are the main drivers. That makes it inhumane technology, atm. There will likely be a big crash ending the Tulip mania, but I expect these LLMs to still be around at the other end of that crash. But about that spectrum.. there are highly skilled developers who use LLMs to create or port huge codebases while keeping firmly in control of the output that is created, applying a set of AI skills they carefully mastered. The term "vibe coding" may not be accurate here, as these folks know what they are doing and stand behind the code that's being created.