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@firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social Thanks for trying to obfuscate that #Mozilla is also returning to MechaHitler's home, noted Nazi Elon Musk's X. #firefox #tech

@megmac@social.treehouse.systems I have been thinking idly that the forced move to LLMs is a way to return personal computing back to a client/server model. Today, you ask the computer to do something and it grinds away and does it. Tomorrow, when you ask your thin client to do something, some computer in Indiana does it, and charges your credit card too. Computers are too powerful now, there aren't enough paywalls. Moving more computing back to the server makes you a microserf again.

@Rycochet@furs.social @zzt@mas.to My guess is that they figure that they are getting your labor anyway, just filtered through ✨AI. This is Linus (and all of big tech) looking out at society and telling us that we will get robbed and we can do nothing about it. Our labor WILL be turned into slop, and billion dollar companies, open source projects, medical journals, public health agencies, military - they will all use it without fear or shame.

RE: https://hachyderm.io/@petrillic/116930044480581453 Like everyone, I am still thinking about what all of this means (and seeing everyone's comments is edifying). Still, I wrote up my thoughts around this weeks ago and it has only gotten worse since then: https://www.quippd.com/writing/2025/12/17/AIs-unpaid-debt-how-llm-scrapers-destroy-the-social-contract-of-open-source.html Is open source/free software over? It is really starting to feel like if people try, they won't be offered any protections - it will totally be a situation where we are just doing free labor for companies.

@joepie91@fedi.slightly.tech And even if it were, if it is truly the manna from heaven as described, why do we even need to train for it? The main UI is conversational and it is the manna from heaven. Anyone that has used a phone in the last decade should be just as capable of using them as Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, or even Donald Trump.

@DarkWebInformer@infosec.exchange Oh there are ads on macOS. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj39Av4_-ME

@aabh@functional.cafe I practically begged to work for the company. Now, it feels like I dodged a bullet. Leadership decisions have already led me to drop the browser. To be working there while all this is happening would likely lead me to the worst kind of burnout possible, along with the horrible psychological side effects.

#xfce is now being slop coded by #ai #llm - we lost a good one, folks. https://www.spurint.org/journal/2026/07/llms-and-xfwl4 #linux #tech #desktop #bsd

@aabh@functional.cafe But I thought the internet was changing again? People are still mean on the internet? #mozilla #firefox #tech

@fabrice@fosstodon.org @tedmielczarek@mastodon.social @qdot@buttplug.engineer I think that is exactly right.

@auser@mastodon.social @angiebaby@mas.to @eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place That isn't what is happening here. People expected that Linus would stand by the license HE applied to his project.

@danielcornell@mastodon.social Corporations can't go to jail, friend.

Thought experiment. Linus tells us that the #Linux project uses #opensource because it results in "better technology". Does that mean that if some superior closed source kernel sources became available Linux would merge it? Clearly, since Linux has never been a "social warrior" project, it shouldn't matter if the code is pirated, since technical merit is paramount. If we say no, how is that different from using copyright encumbered #LLM sources? https://lore.kernel.org/linux-media/CAHk-=wi4zC+Ze8e+p3tMv8TtG_80KzsZ1syL9anBtmEh5Z40vg@mail.gmail.com/

@aabh@functional.cafe One of the other ex-Mozilla folks said something about how the people that stuck with them aren't the people leadership cares about. Clearly, they are the suckers who stood by for ideological reasons (silly!). Now, it's time to conquest for people who would rather see you and your kind dead (literally), but you want to make common cause with them because nothing really matters except their bonuses. Guess there's nothing in the employment contracts about damaging the brand.

@sarahjamielewis@mastodon.social That USED to be #firefox. 😢

@mwichary@mastodon.online @jla@typo.social Just use a web browser and test in the rest. The Firefox based ones should be fine (and gets you the largest alternative on desktop). Webkit based browsers are the only ones on iOS mobile, so not testing there is neglecting where a likely huge portion of users are (depending on your userbase). Chrome is kind of a superset of the web, so I would personally say you are better off with something that does less.

@networkpro@infosec.exchange That's funny -- "software freedom is apolitical" - you know that's not true. 😂

To me, it seems clear that the reason that Linux has more activity and driver support than the BSDs is because of copyleft and reciprocity - two aspects of "social justice" that protected contributors from their code being used without giving back. I wrote about this a while ago: https://www.quippd.com/writing/2026/04/08/ai-code-is-hollowing-out-open-source-and-maintainers-are-looking-the-other-way.html but it feels like with the advent of #AI people are willing to look the other way to access the technical contributions of people who never consented to their works being infringed.

@petrillic@hachyderm.io Pretty much exactly what Linus is telling us now.

@Yrlish@mastodon.nu @ZoidbergForPresident@kolektiva.social You are still ignoring that Google writes most of Android. Android is Google software. You are saying that Graphene removes Google *services* - there's plenty of *software* in there.

@sarahjamielewis@mastodon.social Ah, no binaries. I'll have to give this a shot later, but you will definitely get more testers if you can provide binaries.

@Yrlish@mastodon.nu @ZoidbergForPresident@kolektiva.social As if Android isn't virtually all Google code.

@sarahjamielewis@mastodon.social On that note: https://www.quippd.com/writing/2024/10/13/protecting-your-privacy-while-eroding-your-democracy-PPAs-considered-harmful.html (Just an aside for people who might agree that the design of these products are unethical.)

RE: https://sfba.social/@janetc/116965092468874813 Clearly, this is the dark side of insincere virtue signalling - you will get punished by people who expect you to actually demonstrate your virtue. When you ultimately fail since it wasn't sincere to begin with, you end up in the same pool as everyone else - with those who never claimed any kind of virtue. Anyway, maybe this is just a shift for #Mozilla #Firefox - new CEO, mask off to totally scrape the barrel of whatever goodness was left in its userbase. Then, off to conquest for Nazis! 🎉

Thoughts on #opensource that allows for #LLM contributions. Even for projects where I am continuing to use the upstream project - #firefox / #librewolf, #jellyfin - the first thing I've done is to stop eating the freshly made dogfood. Jellyfin has an RC out. In the past, I might have tested it. Likewise, my main browser for years had been Firefox Nightly. No longer. The first shoe to drop is engagement - why should I test what #AI wrote? I'll let other people eat the slop instead.

RE: https://cosocial.ca/@mhoye/116960268208721583 @rl_dane@polymaths.social Or we could just ask this one company to stand by their supposed values. 🤷

@TerminalTilt@social.terminaltilt.com They admit as much. I'm sure they would vastly have preferred to do their donations anonymously, like their services allow.

@z3r0@gts.maverick-hq.org That doesn't actually protect the project anymore though, with the LLMs remixing your work into works not protected by the GPL.

@Grueproof@dice.camp I actually need to follow more blogs, but I started to write more on my own a while back, and hey - you might be interested. https://www.quippd.com

@tranquil_cassowary@infosec.exchange @log@mastodon.sdf.org @malicious_n@mastodon.social @iju@mastodon.social @GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social I'm thinking about the reliance of the duress code in this situation, not extrapolating its use elsewhere. I don't think the feature is useful as designed unless you are a terrorist or freedom fighter, since if you are an American, you have the right to not self incriminate (always) so the data on disk is secure from exfiltration - if there aren't any known exploits. Hence why I asked who the feature was for and for what use case.

@grumpybozo@toad.social @Extra_Special_Carbon@mastodon.world @plzupgrademe@fedi.txw.ca @DarkWebInformer@infosec.exchange That and the whole app stores are both paid and also contain (paid) advertising.

@webbeef@mastodon.social @sarahjamielewis@mastodon.social @igalia@floss.social Yes, I get that, but it isn't viable as a mainstream browser. That means it needs more full time engineers.

@tranquil_cassowary@infosec.exchange @log@mastodon.sdf.org @malicious_n@mastodon.social @iju@mastodon.social @GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social I'm not going to accept that the usage was the optimal move in this case, since Tunick was able to simply not carry this device across the border. Other commenters have helped me understand that Tunick may have felt that he was under duress and thus used the code - that sounds like he is working against the state - the same terrorist or freedom fighter frame I presented as a persona for who might use this feature.

@goldfish@mastodon.bsd.cafe @GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social @malicious_n@mastodon.social @iju@mastodon.social @log@mastodon.sdf.org Joke, but also being armed is a "right", so society seems to want to not assign it any kind of negative valence. Point being, to a significant chunk of the populace, "armed" isn't scary. The "opposition" part might be more negative than being "armed", in fact.

@log@mastodon.sdf.org @tranquil_cassowary@infosec.exchange @malicious_n@mastodon.social @iju@mastodon.social @GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social Frankly, the arguments over the idea that this feature "worked correctly" to guarantee prison time to Tunick is the frame that I balked at - the feature should never have been used in this case, and indeed should be actively recommended against in favor of carrying a different device. The arguments for who is allowed to use this feature and the rest obscure (imo) that this feature was never safe for this circumstance.

@sarahjamielewis@mastodon.social I think focusing on Servo is a mistake, unless you think you can get together a full time staff of engineers over a long period - that is what Mozilla and Google have, as does Microsoft (and they got out of the engine game). Otherwise, we just have a toy browser and have to go use the mainstream Firefox based browser anyway, and you keep the same duplication of effort that you were trying to initially solve.

@z3r0@gts.maverick-hq.org Yes, LLM based piracy is not different. 🙄 Why exactly is the market so gung ho on OpenAI, Anthropic, et al? C'mon, you know things are different - why pretend otherwise?

@networkpro@infosec.exchange @argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.org I'm not interested in forcing a square peg in a round hole, I'm just pointing out that based on your own assertion, software freedom is political. Can you explain how it isn't? Never did I say that it was a "left or right" issue, either. Look back at my responses to you and show me where I asserted to you that OSS was a "social justice warrior" project 🤷 .

@Rycochet@furs.social The question Huffman needs to ask himself is why people would visit the site even when linked from a search result when the userbase is worse than it used to be, the good moderators have been run out of town, and AI "enhanced" comments are pervasive. The site - like Digg before it - is a shadow of its former self. I don't think it is ever coming back. Digg never did.

@_elena@mastodon.social @timnitGebru@dair-community.social @emilymbender@dair-community.social @alexhanna @DAIR@dair-community.social @cwebber@social.coop @jaredwhite@indieweb.social @tante@tldr.nettime.org You can follow my YouTube channel @thisisQuippd@www.youtube.com or my blog (see profile). I'm a little behind since I'm working on a small home office for this stuff, but ever since AI came to reddit, I've been mad at it.

@indivisibleteam@mastodon.social I don't think what Mr. McKenzie says is accurate. After all, Trump's crypto grift is continuing apace, even with crypto not being regulated by the CFTC. The corruption angle is clearly orthogonal in that sense. The larger issue is that the crypto industry is now supported on a bipartisan basis (see Kirsten Gillibrand's son): https://nypost.com/2026/06/19/business/kirsten-gillibrands-22-year-old-son-raises-30m-for-trading-startup-as-dem-champions-crypto-in-dc/ and will likely continue to be, as long as there are greater fools to take advantage of.

@heidilifeldman@mastodon.social Saw Indivisible on this page and immediately had a bad taste in my mouth; their endorsement of Platner isn't going to age well.

@z3r0@gts.maverick-hq.org No, I think you are missing that putting your GPL code out there means that it will be transformed into code for multitudes of other projects, both "open" and closed. That is new, since it wasn't possible before to have a machine automatically transform stolen code to best fit the problem you have - previously, you had to be able to find the code and understand it well enough to integrate it. Today, the chatbots do it with a prompt and virtually no effort.

@iju@mastodon.social @GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social @malicious_n@mastodon.social @log@mastodon.sdf.org As a class, some journalists are certainly armed. Likewise activists. But I'm not really interested in this discussion, so backing away here.

@networkpro@infosec.exchange @argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.org Copyrights are concerned with government, and that's the method chosen to enforce software freedom in open source, so... political, right?

@log@mastodon.sdf.org @tranquil_cassowary@infosec.exchange @malicious_n@mastodon.social @iju@mastodon.social @GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social I understand that following the recommendation may be onerous - it is still cheaper to buy a burner than to accept 5 years in prison (or even defending yourself in the courts). There may or may not have been senstifive data on the device - that really doesn't matter, right? Tunick destroyed it against the law. That isn't in question.

@fox@social.hostnetwork.xyz Linus is saying that AI is good and if you don't agree, you can get out.

@plzupgrademe@fedi.txw.ca @grumpybozo@toad.social @DarkWebInformer@infosec.exchange @Extra_Special_Carbon@mastodon.world I don't expect ads, I used Mac OS X Public Beta and the original Mac OS X 10.0. 🤷