Allan Svelmøe Hansen

@RickiTarr@beige.party And that would also only be relevant if trickle-down actually worked, instead it just underlines the exploiting nature of the concept.

@ricmac@mastodon.social there are not enough facepalm memes online for this

So - as many others "we" have to use LLMs for coding, because ......produce "faster, better, stronger", but because I still gotta eat as well I'm playing around with it to learn how I can use it "better". I can truly see how alluring the concept is, having a bot that you seemingly can 'discuss' with and that helps you. But some key aspects strike me on how this affect me. You can quickly feel productive (feel). So large post and IMO: I need a huge amount of domain knowledge to be able to guide the bot, and keep providing context. This will be tricky when starting up a new project. It can spit out code fast, a lot of code, creating a huge cognitive load trying to keep up and verify. The code can look good, but can also end up with 200 line method blocks and weird, complex, method branching. It creates a ton of tests. I don't like this. I mean I like tests, but when the bot both writes the code and the tests, it expand on my 'disconnect' from the code and the solution. I rarely verify the tests as well as the methods. Same code issue in tests exists as in actual code - big, complex. You need to give input so exact that generalisations and other similar issues you're fixing, are easily missed. E.g. you fix one bugs in 1 input field, but then miss the 9 other similar but different fields. It makes me 'lazy'. I loose interest. I loose connection. And I do that fast, and the longer that the session last, the less likely I am to keep my focus and guidance. It's simply not fun. That leads into that I never get into a flow. Those sessions where you look up and 2 hours vanished because I was deep in problem solving are non-existing, because I keep having to wait for the bot and writing and then checking code - possible rewriting it, or asking for refactors. And as I've mentioned before - I loose connection with my colleagues because we all now argue with the bot instead of each other. It enforces my imposter syndrome. I've never been or claimed to be, a fantastic programmer. I'm a decent developer because I can understand clients and their problems. But the amount of code produced by the bot is scary and makes me feel worse. And many more things...... #LLM #programming #developer

@Cyberoutsider@infosec.exchange @hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange I'd hate falling into conspiracy traps. But this does reak of something.

@catraxx@tech.lgbt Yeah - luckily almost weekend.

@dgar@aus.social Ahh the memories.....

@bob@epicyon.libreserver.org @cwebber@social.coop Indeed. The output amount will be a big hurdle. 10 minutes in, "you" start glossing over the code because a lot is being outputted. Next hour "you" don't check all the tests written because last one was likely okay, and it runs green anyway. Then "you" skip checking the methods because the test is green. Next month, "you" cannot remember why this was written but there is a bug now so "you" hope the memory files files will help the bot fix it, but the fix broke other tests for some reason. Next year "you" don't understand why it broke, because there was at least a handful of markdown files telling the LLM to not make mistakes and to check its own work, and another LLM reviewed. Oh, and "you" ran out of tokens or the price was increased so "you" have to wait a bit before working again.

@taylorlorenz@mastodon.social But you cannot add age restrictions/introduce surveillance if you actually try to fix the problems.

@mwl@io.mwl.io Alpha can't read yet. Needs at least a Beta version for that. :x

@stux@mstdn.social drm and micro transactions 😞

@randahl@mastodon.social one can hope for one of the missiles to hit a specific target right now.

@RebelGeek99@mastodon.social @DocAtCDI@mastodon.social @LibertyForward1@beige.party It's not that I specially miss doing that - but I miss the effect it had. Spending time, investigating, and actually learning stuff......

@daisy@cloudisland.nz How can one not love that. Somehow it even underlines the absurdity of it being needed.

@hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange Asking why you have morals/ethics is ...... also a choice. Props for the reply.

@BrianJopek@mastodon.world It's almost impressive how fast and openly this bigotry happens in the US again. The reckoning still seems far away.

@jonn_blanchard@retrochat.online I expected to see more puns regarding 'uptime' :D

@pmakholm Jeg får fysisk lyst til at dunke hovedet i bordet når jeg læser det argument. Det er generelt markant brugt i mange 'pro LLM' perspektiver at bruge en bot til at skrive en ting som en anden bot så skal kontrollere/læse. Det absurde i sådan en argumentation burde være indlysende.

@ScottishGreens Somebody thought he asked a gotcha but got a slam-down instead.

@drahardja@sfba.social It's a great example that voting matters. If fewer people had showed up, I'm sure Orban would have been more reluctant to give up, if at all.

@datarama@hachyderm.io @daviddoes@mastodon.social @eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place But don't you want the "better" experience :D

@Em0nM4stodon@infosec.exchange Plus side - less need for all sorts of cookie banners and GDPR notices/procedures. Both cheaper and easier.

@catraxx@tech.lgbt Oh...... not again ..... Thanks for the info. I was wondering how those 'topics' in the screenshot in anyway could have affected a game like slay the spire..... but well, bigots are evil.

@catraxx@tech.lgbt Yeah, I recall seeing something about that after balances or something, but that just seemed like more normal "silly" players than this stuff creeping in again.

@catraxx@tech.lgbt I was so confused how something like "Ironclad" could be considered 'woke' or otherwise sexualised, but well - I just play games.

@catraxx@tech.lgbt Not really following gaming "news" and haven't played STS2 (yet) .... so what the heck are these "people" upset about now?

@glyph@mastodon.social I generally am of the opinion that the devs are responsible for what is pushed into production, for how it's tested and verified. But that's the idealistic opinion - in reality there's a lot of factors that make such not/less possible in a corporate/business world.

@StaceyCornelius Time to start making link repositories again - I miss surfing the web.

@jschauma@mstdn.social badger badger badger mushroom mushroom - it's a snaaake, a snaaake....... I miss the old internet.

@theorangetheme@en.osm.town @mhoye@cosocial.ca Ihh that's a good idea. It would fit well with the "agentic" approach - and we could then attach a wallet to the mouse and for automatic payment for clicks. (Yes, sarcasm - hopefully obvious, but one never knows)

@valcurious@lgbtqia.space Well, I see both fish and chips, so .... :D

@valcurious@lgbtqia.space At least - I think that's a fish but with the "breading" (I hope), it could actually be any piece of thing :D

@MostlyHarmless@thecanadian.social I like this - that made me smile. :D

@Lana@beige.party Indeed, I share many of your point of view.

@stfn@fedi.stfn.pl Not high enough level.

@JenMsft so will tomorrow be rebase day? :D

@Kjaerulv@mastodon.social Det er irriterende at "slippery slope" opfattes som en logisk fejlslutning/fallacy når den så ofte viser sig at være fuldstændig korrekt.

@dbattistella I my toaster toast bread like and support this ironing a shirt idea.

@Kierkegaanks @Strandjunker There's always room for a more dumb tomorrows.

@Aaronvegh Time for a few more trips - hopefully the trend can continue ....... :D

@smeg yeah well..... companies let them in willingly so of course they'll do something like this. Vendor lock-in and then whammy

@tafnn@universeodon.com Isn't he hugging his doctor?

@TheJen@beige.party think I'm made of money...heh.... retirement.....funny

@backupbear Is it a red stabler?

@kichae @dreddie@social.vivaldi.net I seem to recall 5 was a bloated mess, so lets not .... :D

@adhd_coffee Well, like the cartoon says :x

@verge@mastodon.social But at least we can summarise an email now so I save 30 seconds reading.

@Tijn @sue People learned nothing when relying too much of (now) Meta, Google etc and saw business vanish because of it.