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@ApostateEnglishman@mastodon.world @eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place He admitted years ago that he doesn't code anymore, he manages people. He also has aged very fast in recent years. I've noticed, anecdotally, a link between age and genAI exuberance. Contrary to past technology adoption it seems to correlate the opposite direction. Young people seem to range from apathetic use to butlerian jihad. I think it's about ability to accept cognitive overload. Many older people have less tolerance for it; "can't teach an old dog new tricks".

@thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io I, what, no... but... deep fakes... virtual cameras... people posting videos of themselves online.

@ApostateEnglishman@mastodon.world @eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place Ya, I think both of those forms of seniority are sort of related to wealth and thus, in our current system, disconnect from consequences of bad decisions. As such, I guess it shouldn't be too surprising. Both people in low hierarchy positions and who are younger are worked very hard just to stay afloat, and then are told their hard work isn't as valuable as this incompetent chat bot. That would make anyone angry I think.

@mhoye@cosocial.ca it's almost like actually solar does work

@riley@toot.cat Yes that factors in for sure, I don't think it's the only factor though. Even if maybe the primary factor. I know some very poor people who offload basically everything to the chat bot explicitly because of overwhelming executive dysfunction that they don't really do much about. I also know wealthy people with extreme executive dysfunction who hate the chat bot because they take pride in working through difficulty and coming to outcomes they believe in. @ApostateEnglishman@mastodon.world @eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

@morfil@climatejustice.social I think the multitude of positions on climate change policy obstruction is basically the Kübler-Ross model of grief. Not sure with genAI, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was similar given the doom marketing supported by a large segment of popular culture. Denial - it's fake news, you're lying. Anger - you want to ruin the economy! Bargaining - maybe it's a good thing, it'll be warmer! Depression - it's already too late, no point. Acceptance - okay, what do we do? @emilymbender@dair-community.social

@tante@tldr.nettime.org I am not sure if they mean writing (verb) or writing (noun) here. I agree the verb is thinking. The noun is more of a prosthesis. As for why, I think the reality is that a ton of people don't value their own minds.

@cavyherd@wandering.shop @W6KME@mastodon.radio @SecureOwl@infosec.exchange I need this tattooed on the inside of my eyelids some days, I'll admit.

@MaryAustinBooks@mstdn.social @JdeBP@mastodon.scot @Sobex@social.sciences.re I vaguely remember someone made the argument to me that... Honest people, bad faith actors (grifters), & court jester operate in a rock paper scissors equilibrium. This was about online discourse, but I think it applies. Normal people can handle court jesters no issue, but they struggle to manage grifters, who fool them quite easily on occasion. However, grifters don't seem to have good tools for handling court jesters when direct violence is ruled out.

@FluentInFinance@mastodon.social I think the question is though, "how much causation goes each direction?" It's a feedback loop for sure, but I do think it's worth considering. People do vote with the hope things get better, even if they don't always choose well.

@pmb00cs@mastodon.online I would say it's more a problem of what metric you prune on... and also no amount of pruning will turn lead to gold. The underlying structure is definitely wrong. I don't think you can prune this thing into having a meaningful internal representation. Admittedly, we outsource a lot of cognitive load to these textual relations, and LLMs have tapped lots of it. But it doesn't go far enough without a useful representation underneath it. @ApostateEnglishman@mastodon.world @thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io

@bluebudgie@mastodon.art bunch o' slugs indeed. Very fancy. Never seen slugs that looked that cool.

@JessTheUnstill@infosec.exchange I have been saying this so hard... Can you imagine, just like all we did was spend on supply chains for solar panels and batteries?

@thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io broken implies that there is some kind of theoretically possible working state. Have you heard of the concept "not even wrong"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong I would say that agentic harnesses fall into the category of "not even broken".

@kauer@aus.social @etsyy@mastodon.catgirl.cloud @blogdiva@mastodon.social The creator doesn't get their reward now when people don't cheaply copy it, because middlemen squeeze them for everything, so I don't think that is particularly the problem. There are a wide variety of jobs that the cost of them is going to zero while the benefit they provide to society is incredibly high but hard to measure. This isn't unique to artists. It gets even worse when you consider the zipf distribution the rewards typically follow.

@ApostateEnglishman@mastodon.world @thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io the problem here is when LLMs learn from countless generations of ancestors... you get model collapse.

@tante@tldr.nettime.org This is the kind of thing I couldn't have come up with, because I would never have considered what the LLM is spitting out to be Google's words. Guess there is no real way out. They get what they wanted and I isn't legally theft (however incompetent)... but now it's their words so guess they are responsible. Look forward to how they try to fight this one. Sorry it's not our words, we actually stole the entirety of human creation.

@natpbs@mathstodon.xyz @gregeganSF@mathstodon.xyz might be longer than it would stay up, when you consider the Kessler syndrome impacts of a fleet the size they purpose.

@MaryAustinBooks@mstdn.social No doubt, it's disgraceful, but not many will be paying attention to that if he beats Farage. Long shot, but not impossible. Either way, I fully expect them to get out of his way and afford him every opportunity that they think would not cost them much. I expect lots of air time, probably a few call outs, tacit endorsements.

@MaryAustinBooks@mstdn.social I don't suggest they did it on purpose, but now that they are in this situation? They can recognise an opportunity.

@ralfmaximus@mastodon.social @RantingCanuck@mstdn.ca @stux@mstdn.social yep, likely. The ones I saw had random Cyrillic leak into the beginning or end of some posts.

@cazabon@mindly.social @inthehands@hachyderm.io I mean, a chat has a different purpose to a website IMO, and that's a link to a chat. It's like sharing an irc link to get everyone collaborating fast enough to get organised and make the website...

@failedLyndonLaRouchite@mas.to I haven't needed to block any, they never make it to my feeds. I only ever find them by following chains that start at one favouriting my unfunny joke posts that never get interactions. Their strategies aren't working yet. I am mostly concerned about how to keep them signing up in the first place to reduce server costs for people like @stux@mstdn.social. I think the only solution is unfortunately stricter screening for signups... @ralfmaximus@mastodon.social @RantingCanuck@mstdn.ca

@rozeboosje@masto.ai Do you like learning new things, and feel like you haven't learned it until you build enough foundation to see how it fits together? (Just asking because I like getting lots of data points to see how well each one seems to fit.) @ApostateEnglishman@mastodon.world @eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

#Heliboard 4.0 just released on github; it will be on fdroid soon. 4.0 includes opt-in background data gathering! Collecting gestures from daily use has some privacy risk; I made a video about how to leverage our privacy safeguards. Boosts please! PT: https://makertube.net/w/pPywMiF7kjumFfMrQKHzoU YT: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VJLzVEhY2PY Text (WIP): https://github.com/HeliBorg/HeliBoard/wiki/Background-Gesture-Data-Gathering Active gathering was also changed to focus on common words. We still want active gathering data; background data is a supplement not a replacement! 2/3

@jfbucas@mastodon.dias.ie @workchronicles@mastodon.social Sometimes! Though sometimes there really is a problem and it should work the other way they tried to do it! They just don't do it that way when being observed.

@jfbucas@mastodon.dias.ie @workchronicles@mastodon.social technician observer effect: your presence in the room changes the steps taken, to replicate the problem, by the person seeking technical support. They are not doing the same thing they were when it stopped working. Happens really often.

@anemone@ebiverse.social @tante@tldr.nettime.org The point isn't perfect enforcement I would think. I would suppose, the point is to have a policy to point to when someone sends you a vibed PR, so that we don't need to relitigate it every time. You simply tap the sign. Plenty of rules exist for purposes like this. While it may be "unenforceable" any reduction in the deluge is probably worth it, because right now it is a DDoS on many maintainers brains.

@koen_hufkens@mastodon.social @baldur@toot.cafe Do women not like these tools? Of the people I know, the divide seems purely personality based. Gets quickly overwhelmed by decision fatigue, vulnerable to gambling, can't handle feeling dependent on other humans, or will take any shortcut, are the character traits that seem to be most associated with the LLM users I know. Refuses to contribute to unfairness, hates connection surrogates, and dedicated to craft/understanding, are the character traits on the other side.

@koen_hufkens@mastodon.social @baldur@toot.cafe I will note I notice those ones because I fit most all of them.

@kauer@aus.social @etsyy@mastodon.catgirl.cloud @blogdiva@mastodon.social I mean I am saying that I think that a good number of people that pirate (I like the word /shrug) are picky about where their meager funds go. Like, if we are honest about this, there is no difference between downloading a song and listening to that song on youtube with an adblocker. Except that downloading it gives less power to google. I really don't think that anyone should feel particularly bad about pirating a taylor swift album is my point more or less.

@pmb00cs@mastodon.online Sure, that all tracks. I just meant the LLM isn't being subject to the full range of selective pressures (nor inputs) that may necessitate a meaningful representation of the world. Much like many domesticated animals (which includes homo sapiens) would not survive without human civilisation, LLMs don't "reproduce" without impressing a human brain connected to money. Which is a very strange way to select for a meaningful representation of the world! @ApostateEnglishman@mastodon.world @thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io

@aismallard@woem.space @chjara@akko.tuxcrafting.xyz @0x4d6165@transfem.social It is amazing what a little burning hatred can do.

@noodlemaz@mstdn.games @tante@tldr.nettime.org Oh, for sure. I just never would have thought of it, because I was so preoccupied with the legal questions of theft, and how anything it says is almost always in the training data somewhere (or multiple somewheres). I do think this ruling is a consequence of their efforts to convince people it is "intelligent". People wouldn't consider it something to listen to otherwise. It would just be an inconvenience, as it is for people who know better.

@inderix@booping.synth.download Is it bad that I immediately thought of a valid reason for a screenshotting tool to play audio? (Text recognition and then text to speech)

@tbortels@infosec.exchange Well, I guess people were willing to buy in general despite the price tag...

@theautisticcoach@neurodifferent.me I think the pathologising might be part of what makes it effective for making friends. When someone talks with you about the thing you are interested in, this signals occupying a particular niche for a form of social interaction many people won't engage in. It's a filter.

@thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io True, each one starts from zero and has to be taught from that point. They don't accumulate structural changes in the same way. They may accumulate tricks the designers add on, but that's kind of like suggesting watches evolved. They lack a recombinative step. So, you aren't going through the same kind of repeat generational selection, closer to once each time. @pmb00cs@mastodon.online @ApostateEnglishman@mastodon.world

@tbortels@infosec.exchange That wouldn't surprise me at all. I guess we will see if people end up completely buying out the supply fast enough that those scalped machines sell. I suspect they will sell just fine, which I would argue is part of the reason valve had no interest on subsidising their sale. Wonder what the number of units is planned to be in the first batch. I am sure glad I build my system right in the sweet spot a couple years ago. Would be beside myself if one of my parts failed now.

@skeletor@mas.to smol mountiny

@steve@mastodon.nexusuk.org When impacted by reality, all money is pretend money. @GossiTheDog@cyberplace.social

@solitha@mastodon.social @Gargron@mastodon.social I think it'll be a game of whack-a-mole, at least for a while. Every time an ID becomes worthless, create a new one.

@Em0nM4stodon@infosec.exchange There is plenty of humanity in tech! They are continually grinding it up into a paste and spreading as a thin veneer on the outside of the shit they they try to feed us!

@pmb00cs@mastodon.online Sure I understand. I think the main difference is natural selection selects for the world we live in but artificial selection selects for the world we model. Also, the number of selection rounds, and the population matter. I think LLMs are at a distinct disadvantage on that one. @ApostateEnglishman@mastodon.world @thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io

@Floppy@mastodon.me.uk @amiko@ruby.social only used ruby once, but I think this is very cool. I really hope you all manage to keep up the steam. May I ask how organising is going? I'm curious about how spontaneous things like this organise themselves. Feels like it would be chaos. Are people just throwing massive numbers of issues in a tracker and seeing who picks up what?

@greg_harvey@tooting.ch The part I think people miss about scrapers is they don't only scrape for building training sets... but there is also scraping being done at inference time, because of RAG. You aren't just paying for them to steal your data once, you are paying for them to slightly improve their inference results as they offload the cost of maintaining the database they already assembled onto your server at runtime. This applies not only to frontier but also to local models!

@MaryAustinBooks@mstdn.social I honestly think Count Binface is going to be the establishment backed candidate here. I expect every party, except reform, to back him at least a little. Can you think of a way they would rather end Farage than this? He has been such a PITA; Binface is not even close to being as much of a problem. If you were the Labour party, the conservatives, or anyone else who was brought along on Farage's wild ride... what better way to get off than a coup-de-grâce like this?