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"KDE is going full AI" [screenshot of some guy giving a talk no one liked] "look, KDE won't even say they're not a nazi bar" [link to toots where they say they're not a nazi bar] "KDE harbors nazis. they did ban the nazi, and the nazi wasn't involved with KDE in the first place, but still" has everyone lost their goddamn minds. what is this even supposed to accomplish? you are effectively punishing a project for banning a nazi!

i need you to be mad about things that actually happen, or the message you are sending is that you are untethered from reality and should not (cannot!) be listened to!

struggling to convey to people that in some spaces it may be considered rude to paste a dozen racist tweets into a discussion thread about programming policy

the absolute last straw for me on twitter was the realization that my timeline was constantly full of nasty terf stuff, because all the other trans people i followed kept posting fucking screenshots of it to say how bad it was as if it's all fake, just points in a game with two sides, not words that might actually have an impact on anyone. feelings are weakness and we are forever trapped in the shadow of something awful

Wow. That person said the worst things you can even say. Really horrible, appalling stuff. It is my solemn duty to show it to everyone and then be rewarded for it

tbh i'm getting kind of upset as it crystallizes for me that what people are arguing is that the person who posted nazi stuff shouldn't have been banned the pinnacle of Poster brain is thinking that receipts are somehow a neutral artifact, that posting antisemitic drivel is cool and normal to do as long as you add an asterisk somewhere and vaguely sneer about it. but, here's the thing: you are still posting nazi stuff and some people... don't want nazi stuff... in their space "but—" no

i wish everyone had been this mad about kwin removing the visual desktop switcher on the grounds that it wasn't exposed to users despite being in the global shortcuts list. i understand why they weren't, but,

really tired of browser stderr going to journald so it's constantly full of absolutely useless crap like JavaScript error: , line 0: uncaught exception: Object { message }

maybe part of the disconnect is that i generally gauge people based on what they *do*, whereas it seems very common to gauge people based on who they *are* (or are perceived to be) — even among leftists, despite that i think of it as a pretty reactionary, maybe christian sort of impulse hence, "it's obviously not okay for a nazi to post hate speech. but it's fine for me to post hate speech, because i'm not a nazi, so i don't mean it"

people are also upset that someone (the KDE account i think?) characterized linking to some rando commenter's racist tweets in the middle of a policy discussion as akin to "walking into a bar and punching someone" but uh well yes. it is kind of like that. "this you?" is only normal behavior if you have racked up ten thousand hours on twitter. i don't think less-Online people tend to do that actually

i promise you that you do not want instabans from a glance at a repulsive tweet. these ones look to have been pretty cut and dry, but i have seen more than enough people get hit for something that was emotional or ironic or referential or whatever — the Extremely Online, all the moreso. and then they only tend to get reversed after *sigh* a lot of people yelling about it (or possibly selection bias, where i only hear about the cases people yell about)

@glyph@mastodon.social @zzzeek@fosstodon.org @hynek@mastodon.social and even your post hinges on the charitable assumption that the end user is actually verifying the output in some way. at least for code, there's *some* way to do this: you can run it. but the sales pitch is "phew, the computer did it for me" and that's the sort of thing that haunts me. it seems unlikely that ari drennen is checking that the automated tax returns or summaries of their email are *accurate*, because that would involve manually doing exactly the same work

@zzzeek@fosstodon.org @glyph@mastodon.social @hynek@mastodon.social you already think there are benefits. there are ceos with the ears of politicians and a massive financial interest in espousing the benefits. half the american economy hinges on convincing everyone there are benefits. i don't see why you need me to do it too

@glyph@mastodon.social @zzzeek@fosstodon.org @hynek@mastodon.social for only $300,000 per month in tokens, you can get functionally the same effect as claiming every actor you don't recognize is danny devito and replying to all of your emails with "thanks!", but with the added peace of mind you get from having google tell you it's taken care of everything. soon you won't even need to remember your own address. gemini can make up one of those too

@glyph@mastodon.social having a bunch of people call me a pedophile — an assertion that cannot be disproven and a lens through which a bunch of my actions were reinterpreted — has left me with something of a distaste for label-based moderation

@zzzeek@fosstodon.org @glyph@mastodon.social @hynek@mastodon.social i don't feel quite as intensely as glyph here but i also don't think this is a compelling response to someone comparing you to a gambling addict, who could very well say the same thing

@zzzeek@fosstodon.org @glyph@mastodon.social @hynek@mastodon.social programming is a special case: you are designing an algorithm, and the resulting artifact is an encoding of that algorithm, at which point you can try it to see if it's correct. (of course it has its own blind spots because computers are hard.) but most tasks aren't like this. most tasks are the *execution* of an algorithm. how do i verify if a chatbot correctly added up some numbers? well i have to add up the numbers myself and see if the results match

@zzzeek@fosstodon.org @glyph@mastodon.social @hynek@mastodon.social frequently yes, because to know if e.g. a summary of some text is accurate + representative, you have to know what the full text says in the first place, at which point you don't need a summary

@zzzeek@fosstodon.org @glyph@mastodon.social @hynek@mastodon.social i am not saying "it never works", i am saying "it creates a massive blind spot", and you're essentially responding "stop saying there's a massive blind spot, no one who likes it has noticed anything like that"

@xoagray@tiggi.es that's conspiratorial thinking. it's probably the opposite: people can't do anything about omarchy and feel frustrated, so they take it out on a different project that they feel is more likely to listen to them

@glyph@mastodon.social oh sure. but as you describe, the thing they were *doing* was still "constantly testing the rules", which imo is in itself extremely actionable. even if you want to exclude outside behavior, it's not like you forget everything they've already done *in the space*

@eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place it's mystifying to me that you would want to broadcast, to your boss, "i do nothing"

@glyph@mastodon.social if you're massively stressing everyone out then you probably shouldn't be in the space!

@glyph@mastodon.social rule zero: don't make me moderate you

@duk3luk3@cloudisland.nz this is the most backwards Posting belief, that you can just reproduce any horrible thing and it's fine if you put in one asterisk and are scoffing about it. but no actually i don't want to see people calling me slurs and wishing for my death or whatever? don't fucking post it in public? what the fuck is wrong with anyone that they think this is okay?

@duk3luk3@cloudisland.nz the nazi's DREAM is for their targets to hear their vitriol, and lefty Posters Posting that vitriol around is making that dream come true. it is doing the nazis' job for them and i am sick to fucking death of having it treated like it's fine and normal, let alone virtuous. words mean things to some of us, they aren't just a signifier of which goddamn side you're on

@duk3luk3@cloudisland.nz none of that is what happened here. no one valiantly stood up in the face of bullying. they pasted a bunch of racism to win an argument about something else maybe making racist posts is bad, even if you're quoting someone else to say how much you don't like them, and should be treated with slightly more gravity?? why do i even have to say this? it makes me feel nuts, like people care less about substance and only about Sides

@hannah@posts.rat.pictures 6 golden coins hell yes

@zzzeek@fosstodon.org @glyph@mastodon.social @hynek@mastodon.social i never said there's slop in sqla. you're replying to me saying that code *can* be verified. and your recent adventure is practically tailor-made to avoid this problem: finding the cause is hard, verifying the fix is easy. i just find it hard to believe this is broadly representative what *is* ari's experience? if they had the spoons to verify, they wouldn't need the bot. and if it wasn't working, they wouldn't be using it, so they would self-select out of praising it

@duk3luk3@cloudisland.nz i have been subjected to "this you?" for almost a fucking decade. it is toxic bullshit actually and, even hotter take, maybe posting a bunch of racist stuff into a discussion isn't okay just because you starred out a letter and are quoting someone else! if you think it's the worst possible kind of stuff to say then MAYBE DON'T EXPOSE AS MANY OTHER PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE TO IT

@duk3luk3@cloudisland.nz the thing you are fundamentally arguing is that someone who posted nazi stuff should not be banned for it. that is what you are saying. that is what all of this hand-wringing is about. someone posted nazi stuff and got banned for it and you don't think they should have been.

@techokami@woof.tech "force through"??

@whitequark@social.treehouse.systems it does sound ludicrous but it also sounds like the least bad thing to do honestly

@asie@mk.asie.pl left behind by who???

@lupinia@infosec.exchange uh oh what happened

@bunxen@plush.city i figure it'll help with understanding spoken stuff too

here is a youtube playlist of my ongoing attempts to play through pokémon emerald in japanese and read as much text as possible https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSQF4YOHLGvY

@hannah@posts.rat.pictures absolute nightmare 😌

@zwol@masto.hackers.town "Once all references to the file are dropped, it is automatically released." yeah that's pretty straightforward, it's not tied to the process acts like a regular file rather than /dev/null though. also linux-specific

ok back to japanese emerald. this time with special guest ash who is going to play and also vape i guess https://twitch.tv/lexyeevee

ok gonna play more japanese emerald https://twitch.tv/lexyeevee

@joe@f.duriansoftware.com @zwol@masto.hackers.town i'm not sure this is possible. ultimately there's no reason for any unix to offer any other way to do this because posix already mandates the existence of /dev/null

welp it's time for another japanese emerald stream https://twitch.tv/lexyeevee

@bersl2@furry.engineer could very well go to both

@zwol@masto.hackers.town fmemopen, i can't imagine so, since you allocate the buffer yourself. but i think memfd_create would since it creates something in the kernel and it's explicit that you can pass the fd around?

time for more japanese pokémon emerald https://twitch.tv/lexyeevee

@zwol@masto.hackers.town feels like you want some unholy combo of fmemopen and memfd_create. can't think of how to emulate /dev/null without access to it though

@bunxen@plush.city as best i can i suppose?? my kanji recognition is pretty piecemeal so it would only help so much anyway. though sometimes a new word is extra ambiguous

got my car's oil rotated today like a good human adult, so it's time to revert to being a little fox and reward myself by trying to read more japanese in pokémon emerald https://twitch.tv/lexyeevee