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@zzt@mas.to It was fated to happen after one of the main developers made a super mega long post talking about how yes LLMs are bad but they're innevitable and you can't resist them so just use them and hope the governments regulate them in time I can buy you some claude tokens if you ask nicely :)

@kde@floss.social Are nazis invited to the bar or not? It was a simple question

RE: https://godforsaken.website/@Shrigglepuss/116956861336088363 Mullvad actively gives refunds if you state this as the reason, even if it goes against their 14-day policy. It worked for me. Ask Mullvad for a refund. Your money is being used to fund disgusting fascists, and no one in Mullvad cares. Make them care.

RE: https://floss.social/@kde/117320479661841592 @EUCWolf@bark.lgbt They're not thankfully: https://woof.tech/@kde@floss.social/117320479738240608 Just slow and a little incompetent for this

@Bro666@social.tchncs.de I mean, I think SOME vibe coders are like that, but there's no way it's most of them. Most of the vibe coders I see are also very preachy and explicitly want every space to allow their shit and explicitly defend all the fash stuff their fashtech does

@TheEvilSkeleton@social.treehouse.systems What kind of genuine mistake is that anyway? How do you mistakenly do that?

@chronohart@tech.lgbt Linux has fallen to slop ages ago. There's really not a lot you can do. Most BSDs (and the only usable one for desktop is FreeBSD as far as I know anyways) I'm pretty sure have an open LLM policy. As someone who struggled with this too, don't worry too much about things you can't control. Scrap the things you can scrap, and the things you can't scrap, be vocal about them and try to not give them any money. That's about all we can do.

RE: https://mastodon.social/@mboelen/116967871687491707 Finally, for the first time in what feels like ages, some good news.

Just donated to CodeBerg and I suggest you all do the same if you can afford it. Thanks a lot for listening to your users and kicking all the gross people out <3

@vfrmedia@social.tchncs.de Just to be clear: I really doubt there's a universe in which this party ever gets actual power, my problem is more with the fact that those inhuman pieces of shit are enjoying MY MONEY right now than with the material harm they are capable of bringing to the world. Regardless, the fact that the self-titled "libertarian anarchist" that is Mullvad's co-owner actively funds a pro-mass-surveilance party is indeed cause of concern. But I guess the company really needs a wide spectrum of perspectives, including the perspective that the company should not exist or be a honeypot

@Kierkegaanks@beige.party The co-owner of Mullvad is funding fascists with the profits from Mullvad, and Mullvad explicitly defends and tries to minimize this. They are making a fake distinction purely to save face.

@spacekatia@girlcock.club I'd disagree I think , Rust is a language where you constantly have to think who owns what and how to manage the memory, even if you're doing it thinking in terms of language constructs (like Rc and RefCell and Box and such). The borrow checker is also a lot more strict and memory arenas, while possible, kinda have to be shoehorned in and are a little inconvenient to use because the language is clearly not made with them in mind The thought process behind memory management in a "mid-level language" is comparatively simple I think, you either alloc with an arena if you can group the allocation with a bunch of others or you alloc with the gc if it's more complicated than that

Writing a parser is rewarding but quite annoying at the same time

I've been thinking fully low-level languages really need to exist (C, Zig, Rust, etc) for mission-critical stuff, but I also think most other software doesn't need that level of control to still be of really high quality. Go has a GC and a runtime and I've seen some really excellent programs written in it for example...

I've been thinking about a sort of "mid-level language" approach, one where everything is on the stack by default and you have access to raw pointers (which can't be null and may be like indices under the hood or something). If you want heap memory, you have to manually allocate it with either:

• A garbage collector, which you are in charge of when it runs and when it has to free everything
• A memory arena, which you are in charge of when you free it
• Maybe some other allocation method? Object pools/buckets, etc?

It would ideally be memory safe though I'm not sure how to achieve that and also allow memory arenas without some super complicated borrow checker.

C interop would also be as easy as humanly possible so you can easily "drop a level" when you need to for performance, too.

The advantage of this idea is you'd have the ease of use and memory safety of higher level languages but you can still fine tune and opt into "easy" optimizations that are usually low-level language only.

What do you think?

@foxes@bark.lgbt I really don't think they are. They needed a payment invoice ID for my refunds, the account number wasn't enough. That means they didn't know by now if I had payed or what I had payed with.

@vicfroh@mastodon.social It doesn't apply to anyone. If someone's an asshole, then they should be called out when they die. That history should not be erased.

@eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place It looks amaaaziiing....

@N33R@fops.cloud cinema

@IceWolf@masto.brightfur.net I've thought of refcounting too but AFAIK unless you do eldritch PhD stuff it makes everything slower. Then again it may be easier to implement than a GC which would make the language existing more plausible... hmm

@lisyarus@mastodon.gamedev.place That's fair! It doesn't work for expression-oriented languages for obvious reasons yeah. To be honest, I still don't see any better solution for getting rid of semicolons than semicolon insertion, because it's the only case where it's fully predictable what every line is gonna be interpreted as

@lisyarus@mastodon.gamedev.place Most programming languages have expression statements: statements that are just a blank expression. Like,

3 + 3;

is valid syntax in a lot of languages. These are what make multi-line no-semicolon syntax ambiguous, because

let x = 10

• 1

could be

let x = 10 - 1;

or

let x = 10;

• 1;

but if "- 1;" is not a valid statement (because expression statements are forbidden) then the only valid interpretation is 10 - 1.

@lisyarus@mastodon.gamedev.place That is probably the best option yeah! It would let you have multi-line math too.

No, but I really mean it, I'm completely losing my drive and passion for computing. I really don't know what to do. It's hard to get the motivation to do anything.

@fffluoride@mathstodon.xyz To be honest, I really never got the appeal of LISP, but... maybe?

I was getting a little excited about OCaml, but it has an LLM-tolerant policy. It starts with "We strive to evaluate contributions based on their merit, not their authors", which is pretty gross. Then again, the *only* programming languages that isn't slop-tolerant is Zig, so.... does it even matter at this point?

Given the recent Andrew Kelly crashouts, I have come to the sad and unfortunate conclusion that, really, there's no programming language left in the world who isn't made by huge assholes. Yay!

@IceWolf@masto.brightfur.net He's really weird. Honestly, knowing programming language devs more, he is still the least worse of them all, with being anti-LLMs and openly pro-FOSS and pro-union. That being said, he still generates AI images, he is still kind of a pretentious asshole, and the Zig programming language is just a huge pain in the ass to use in general, because of many explicit decisions made by him. Does it beat partnering with OpenAI and making an LLM policy that bans all discussion of ethical concerns, or being an antivax pro-trumper, or being explicitly anti-FOSS and directing a super toxic community, etc etc? Yeah. I'd put up with it if Zig was actually fun to use, but god it's really really not...

@glitchypsi.xyz All of programming youtube is like this now. I genuinely can't really think of a tech/programming/etc youtuber that doesn't just vibe code everything or talk about AI all the time. It's awful.

Ah, I should clarify, they make an exception for generating sloppy *test-cases*, but much like with Godot, it's still way better than opening the flood gates, at least.

@lisyarus@mastodon.gamedev.place Oh? Could you elaborate?

@lisyarus@mastodon.gamedev.place Oooh. What about something like: function_call( a, b, ) Still not allowed?

Please wishlist this if you can! https://store.steampowered.com/app/4849120/TOUHOU_GAIDEN/ It looks so amazing!

@ferret The fact that you, literally in a server called workersofthe.world, CANNOT CONCEIVE of issues with AI-generated code other than codebase quality is absolutely baffling. Maybe before wrapping yourself in such aesthetics you should actually give a shit about the workers? The data centers that generate images and music are the same ones that generate code. They destroy communities and burn the planet for profit. They have totally reversed all the minuscule gains we had done against climate change. The tech companies that provide the LLMs are willing collaborators of mass surveilance and genocide. Anthropic, the company behind the most popular programming LLM, literally murders children. Microsoft, OpenAI and Palantir are willing contributors to the gaza genocide. By using their shit regardless you are validating them. LLMs are trained mostly by African underpaid workers sitting through extremely horrendous working conditions to catalog the massive amounts of data needed. LLMs are a fascist political project to deskill and devalue labour as extremely evident by all the tech companies having mass layoffs and the rhetoric of every single company pushing for them. And more importantly... Coding LLMs are also made with stolen human-made code??? This is like an extremely well known fact??? Recommended reading: https://tante.cc/2026/04/21/ai-as-a-fascist-artifact/ https://ali-alkhatib.com/blog/defining-ai https://henry.codes/writing/it-doesnt-matter-if-it-works/

@ferret Nevermind, you are indeed a pointless troll! What an unimaginable level of LARP. Holy shit I cannot believe how much LARP you are on. Go fuck yourself you class traitor.

@ferret Code is absolutely art. Art is also used to solve problems. Solutions can be artistic. The way you solve problems is part of your own self-expression. And even if it wasn't art, it is still labour. Non-art is still wrong to steal. Saying that it's wrong to steal and siphon from pictures but not from code is actually kind of worse than saying neither is wrong; the former implies you view programming as labour of "lower value", and as such, you are fine with it being stolen and violated in this way. This is quite a gross thing to do as a self proclaimed socialist, again, before the aesthetics, actually check that you care about the important shit. Saying "Everything you're saying is true, but it is technically possible to code with LLMs in a way that is 30% morally bankrupt instead of 99%, myself and another twelve people on Earth do it" is not the own you think it is. The vast majority of programmers simply don't give a shit, they use Claude or Codex or whatever's built in to their VSCode slop fork of choice. I can guarantee this includes kernel maintainers. It's like if I was complaining about a group of arsonists burning homes down and you said "Well I mean they could burn down Elon Musk's house and then they'd be okay" like that matters at all to the discussion. It is such an unproductive thing to add to the conversation I'm only not considering it trolling because you replied in good faith the first time.

@ferret The problem with vibe coding is that it's burning the planet me and my children will have to live in for profit and mild convenience.

@jonny@neuromatch.social Alternatively, people also just self-gaslight

@lisyarus@mastodon.gamedev.place Well.. In the first case, -1 would be an expression statement. I'm pretty sure some languages get away with removing them (Like Lua IIIRC), because it makes multi-line no-semicolon syntax unambiguous

@lisyarus@mastodon.gamedev.place What do you do to not need semicolons?

@ferret Why is image and video generation wrong, but code generation is totally okay in your eyes?