Ignas Kiela

OH: MPEG stands for More Patent Extortion Group

@gsuberland@chaos.social @matildalove@wetdry.world @valpackett@social.treehouse.systems correction - if the device does not have anything at all (as in, no resistors on CC lines), a compliant power source will not present any voltage. This is one of the core safeties of USB C - since you can connect two sources together, no USB-C source should apply any voltage unless it is sure that the other side is a sink and will accept it (this is also part of the reason why all USB-C to USB-A cables only have plugs but not ports - a source can tolerate 5V on the input from a USB-C unaware power source, but only if it knows not to apply the power itself). Also, this lives purely on the USB-C side of things, USB PD specs only get into the active communication stuff that happens after the passive, resistor based negotiation is established.

@Aleums@timeloop.cafe eh, I much prefer large workshops, datacenters are mostly just rooms with electricity and cooling, while large workshops have cranes and shit and that's much more fun

@azonenberg@ioc.exchange what about ECP5? Has 2 transceivers in a 10x10mm package and 118 IOs in 7 banks

@quad@akko.quad.moe it's real as far as somebody is trying to do it lol to quote someone from the mailing lists, "how quickly can we reject this" https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/tpJOKSWGRMGOANSCrDFQTud80T0/

@quad@akko.quad.moe so the result is probably: nobody seriously looks at this any more than "ha lol it's stupid", drafts expires, the end. Unless the author actually tries to push it through (they haven't come to mailing lists for that yet), that's gonna be about the total amount of time wasted on this.

@bovine3dom@masto.ai basically yes, though as I said, T is the "guaranteed to not cause problems ever" gauge, in practice there's a bunch of out of gauge wagons that regularly run, and I think the new Stadler FLIRTs we got are also technically out of gauge. In Lithuania, up to level 2 of bottom out-of-gauge-ness, level 3 of side, and level 2 of top is allowed in regular service (as in, without extra checks), and only above that does it need separate planning. Here's the schemas for the out of gaugeness standards for the bottom section, and side and top second and third levels if you wish to add what's realistically possible instead of the statuatory minimum 😉 (and also the base T gauge if you don't) (wrt LV and EE - they probably also have some similar levels that are always accepted but I don't know them, though you could probably find that in their public access docs)

@bovine3dom@masto.ai @kaat0@fediscience.org fwiw for Baltic countries the S structure gauge seems to be marked, which has these dimensions (in mm of course)

@quad@akko.quad.moe yeah, afaik this port thing is the only private 5G network in the country, and it's only a thing because multiple big companies in the port wanted such a thing

@bovine3dom@masto.ai @kaat0@fediscience.org seems good, but now that I see the comment that these are all kinematic gauges I'm not sure using the S gauge is correct, since that is the structure gauge. Though it's not like there's a kinematic gauge either, the T gauge for the wagons themselves is a static gauge, so it's once again comparing apples with oranges

@quad@akko.quad.moe I mean that's very much the difference between home IoT and commercial IoT the stuff at work that we have sending more considerable amounts of data are pretty much on a regular 5G plan because while it isn't quite a constant 100kbps+ stream, it's around there and it sometimes bursts

@quad@akko.quad.moe this is 10 year 500MB for ~15eur total https://www.1nce.com/en-eu/1nce-connect/pricing But yeah, the device side of things get's more expensive.

@quad@akko.quad.moe while I don't manage the stuff itself and just deal with the data that comes out of it, afaik what we have is either fixed location and somewhere right by our network anyway, or non-fixed location, but has enough needs of stuff to connect to more than justify a full 5G router

@quad@akko.quad.moe that's kinda surprising tbh, I'd expect small numbers of SIM cards to just be sent as letters for dirt cheap

@wolf480pl@mstdn.io while MPEG as an entity might not be explicitly trying to get money from patents, the members working on MPEG standards do seem to try to fit patents they own into the standards when they are getting defined.

@azonenberg@ioc.exchange @petrillic@hachyderm.io IANA overlooked and confirmed the dismantling of 6 complete and 1 incomplete device. We can't be sure whether they would've worked, but stuff existed and was dismantled. The strategy supposedly was "we have them so that others don't dare, we don't plan to use them at all"

@bovine3dom@masto.ai @h0m54r@mastodon.social @jon@gruene.social there was a fairly big update at the start of the month, so that's probably the reason

@piggo@piggo.space @uint8_t@chaos.social @derf@social.skyshaper.org nah, EU wasn't that dumb, they also require PD stuff (or if power is low enough for 5V 3A, compliance with PD stuff so that PD chargers work)

@mntmn@mastodon.social @wolf480pl@mstdn.io how high can they clock? You could drive two 1080p monitors with that if it can go to HBR2

@quad@akko.quad.moe @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me tbh it really depends - I always check the schedule before saying whether I want to or not, you can often see whether there is stuff to like, actually learn or not (I accept basically only one conference yearly (from work, I sometimes consider stuff that's far out from what my work actually is))

@azonenberg@ioc.exchange usb4 released in 2019 first hardware appeared around 2023

@quad@akko.quad.moe yeah, they're mainly designed for stuff that reports "a thing" every 10 minutes or even rarer.

@quad@akko.quad.moe not as of right now afaik, but like, drafts are just drafts and basically anyone can make them, but they're not going to become RFCs unless people agree with them and work with the IETF which is the real protection layer

@jon@gruene.social Wait, but SJ doesn't even decide which platform they go to, that's the infrastructure manager's decision? And presumably the same infrastructure manager runs the station and the screens in it? How would that even happen???

@quad@akko.quad.moe well you do have a fairly well geographic area of operations in which you can set that up which while for us is technically the case as well, because of reasons it's much much more practical to just use regular public provider for stuff that moves (for IoT purposes) Though the port here set up their own 5G network, core and all, for port companies to use (in partnership with a larger 5G ISP but still).

@quad@akko.quad.moe yeah, soloing a mesh is not really viable, need some nerds in the same place to collaborate on it, here only the bigger cities have something, elsewhere there's basically nothing

@quad@akko.quad.moe You can get pre-paid IoT sim cards that are valid for like 10 years and have a gig or so of data, which with rare enough messaging will last a long time. But still quite a hassle to setup and shit

@quad@akko.quad.moe a whole bunch of nodes, repeating messages, forming a mesh it is very much useless without a bunch of people contributing to make the mesh. wrt bloat - unless you have a quite large amount (more than like 50) of nodes in the same area it's still kinda ok with meshtastic but does get out of hand with more, while meshcore does stuff differently and requires there to be some fixed, internet-connected repeaters to limit the amount of bloat

@jon@gruene.social @h0m54r@mastodon.social RINF has line lengths in it, so maybe viable to do that way, but that likely wouldn't be a route viable with passenger trains

@bovine3dom@masto.ai sure, but the structure gauge in this case is way bigger than what the theorethical kinematic gauge would be because there is such a thing as standardized out-of-gauge operations here, with standard measurements for how out of gauge something is, etc. The structure gauge gives you a ton of headroom to put bigger things on the train if needed, the problem is (most of the time) actually other trains on nearby tracks. But if you plan for it, you can run out of gauge trains regularly, it just has to be ensured during planning that you're not going to pass by other out of gauge trains in places where that would result in problems. In this schema, the inner white area is the T static gauge, and the outer black line the S structure gauge. The shaded areas is how much bigger you could potentially get

@azonenberg@ioc.exchange yeah, with going to USB4 Intel essentially opened Thunderbolt technology (but not the branding) up

Traditional turnaround

@outfrost@mastodon.social @whitequark@social.treehouse.systems eh, I think you can apply the same definition to ones self - how much you're doing to keep yoursef alive does show how much value you see in yourself. I wouldn't say that it "defines" self-worth, but it does indicate it.

@quad@akko.quad.moe bruh wtf yeah, that's absolutely stupid fucking vendors, always making good technologies a pain to use just because that will earn them an extra buck

@quad@akko.quad.moe with LoRa amount of power, at a longer distance everything is equivalent to metal, basically. Maybe 100m is a bit pessimistic, but after 1km, walls being unpenetrable is basically certainty

@mei@donotsta.re same feeling, planning a trip that will take a day to one direction and a day back a week later, and Interrail (with the minimum 4 days of travel) is like 2x cheaper even including some not that cheap reservations.

@quad@akko.quad.moe really depends on whether there are other nodes in town or what kind of location you're at beyond like 100m it is very much a line of sight thing, so if you're not living at the top of the hill I don't think the prospects are that good.

@outfrost@mastodon.social @whitequark@social.treehouse.systems eh, I would honestly apply this even wider. Like, if people who "don't have to" don't help you in circumstances when you need it, you're not worth it to them. Sounds cynical, but in a way it's true.

@quad@akko.quad.moe basically, LoRa is very good at achieving readable signals at very low powers (like -140dBm or something) but at those signal levels every wall is catastrophic, even a wood one drops it a couple dB

@quad@akko.quad.moe That's the reason I asked lol And also, do consider, that beyond those roughly 100m, it's very much "visual range", houses will block it.

@quad@akko.quad.moe if you search for "prepaid iot sim card" there's a bunch of offers coming up tbh

@mntmn@mastodon.social no DP MST support?

@wolf480pl@mstdn.io @mntmn@mastodon.social yeah, and it seems like rk3588 does support HBR3 so it should be able to do it, and that's certainly useful Also supports DSC if we want to go that route as well

@niconiconi@mk.absturztau.be hey, it can sometimes also change the specs https://youtu.be/22ZmmZ67SMY

@bovine3dom@masto.ai @h0m54r@mastodon.social @jon@gruene.social as far as I can tell, actual lengths. I might look into pulling in the required data from RINF to see what's possible.

@azonenberg@ioc.exchange @petrillic@hachyderm.io IIRC South Africa had them or was very close to it (in colaboration with Israel ofc) and de-armed themselves