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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 2mo ago

We are looking to improve Org LaTeX export to produce fully accessible (PDF/UA2) documents, and we need help from users more familiar with accessibility and how to deal with it in LuaLaTeX and also PDFLaTeX. See the mailing list call for help https://list.orgmode.org/orgmode/87tsq6937o.fsf@localhost/ #orgmode #emacs #blind

list.orgmode.org

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 4mo ago

Replying to

@mdhughes@appdot.net @me @bagder@mastodon.social @screwlisp@gamerplus.org Orgzly supports editing. Sync can work using syncthing or similar. For iOS, there are couple more polished apps from xenodium

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 4mo ago

Replying to

@screwlisp@gamerplus.org I was thinking something that's not just for Emacs users (I presume that many listeners don't use Emacs):

Org mode outside Emacs
Org mode and collaborative editing
Org syntax
- https://orgmode.org/worg/org-syntax.html
Community
- Meetups
  - https://orgmode.org/worg/orgmeetup.html
Mailing lists
- BARK: https://tracker.orgmode.org/data.html

orgmode.org

Org Mode

Org-mode. Complex so you don

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 4mo ago

#31 bbb:OrgMeetup on Wed, June 10, 19:00 UTC+3

Another OrgMeetup is scheduled **next week**.

Earlier meetup notes:
https://orgmode.org/worg/orgmeetup.html

URL: https://bbb.emacsverse.org/rooms/orgmeetup/join

#OrgMeetup #meetup #emacs #orgmode

CC: @sacha@social.sachachua.com

orgmode.org

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 4mo ago

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@screwlisp@gamerplus.org @marcoxa@mastodon.social @mdhughes@appdot.net @me Native compilation, AFAIR, is since Emacs 28. It is utilizing libgccjit to compile ELisp into native binaries (just in time). Since Emacs 28 there have been slow developments on optimizing it even further - there is a work on type system and potentially type hints that may then be translated to better type-aware optimization.

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 4mo ago

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@vnikolov@ieji.de @screwlisp@gamerplus.org @bagder@mastodon.social @me This is exactly what Org mode does to handle fontification and indentation. See org-src-do-key-sequence-at-code-block

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 4mo ago

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@mdhughes@appdot.net @me @bagder@mastodon.social @screwlisp@gamerplus.org You do not need to be stuck in Emacs! There are Android and iOS apps, there are several web apps, there are plugins for neovim and vscode. https://orgmode.org/tools.html

orgmode.org

Org Mode

Org-mode. Complex so you don

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 4mo ago

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@vnikolov@ieji.de @screwlisp@gamerplus.org @kentpitman@climatejustice.social This works to a point. You can ask 2X, 3X, but when you start asking 1000000X, people will laugh at you and ignore.

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 4mo ago

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@screwlisp@gamerplus.org @kentpitman@climatejustice.social AFAIK, at least in my field of research, people are trying to staff LLM and neural networks in general into pretty much every possible application. Something sticks, most things fail. I suspect that it is not different elsewhere. That's what hype is. Until people figure out where llm work and where it does not (and the limits of technical progress in the area), there will be massive misuse

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 4mo ago

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@vnikolov@ieji.de @screwlisp@gamerplus.org @bagder@mastodon.social @me Even older attempt is https://github.com/dgutov/mmm-mode but every time I look inside, I feel that things are overengineered there.

GitHub

GitHub - dgutov/mmm-mode: New official home for mmm-mode, fixed for Emacs >= 23

New official home for mmm-mode, fixed for Emacs >= 23 - dgutov/mmm-mode

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 4mo ago

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@vnikolov@ieji.de @screwlisp@gamerplus.org @bagder@mastodon.social @me That's what C-c ' does in Org. That's the main interaction we recommend. It is the most robust.

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 4mo ago

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@bluetea@ioc.exchange @publicvoit@graz.social @screwlisp@gamerplus.org I can only recommend https://github.com/org-roam/org-roam-ui (Emacs + browser).

GitHub

GitHub - org-roam/org-roam-ui: A graphical frontend for exploring your org-roam Zettelkasten

A graphical frontend for exploring your org-roam Zettelkasten - org-roam/org-roam-ui

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 4mo ago

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@publicvoit@graz.social @screwlisp@gamerplus.org Why to Org people? If you go to https://orgmode.org/ it has a link "Outside Emacs" and "Mobile/Web". Those links both point to the tools page - the idea is to provide info for people who are interested in parts of Org but not in Emacs.

orgmode.org

Org Mode

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 5mo ago

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@hl@social.lol @kickingvegas@sfba.social Also, https://github.com/NicolasPetton/noccur.el

GitHub

GitHub - NicolasPetton/noccur.el: Run multi-occur on project/dired files

Run multi-occur on project/dired files. Contribute to NicolasPetton/noccur.el development by creating an account on GitHub.

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 4mo ago

"Fun" with btrfs, snapper, and balancing requiring extra space. Oh, well.

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 4mo ago

I believe that I finally managed to track down the annoying element cache bug that is linked to editing plain lists. It has been reported a number of times, but it is hard to reproduce. Recently, Jason Terk has managed to record detailed logs of what is hapenning when the bug is trigerred, and I think the reason is related to successive edits coming between cache syncs. Now, if we confirm that https://cgit.git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/org-mode.git/commit/?id=7a134e7b216311f54ddb55e779d929454dd6d639 really works, it should hopefully eliminate one of the last cache bugs.

cgit.git.savannah.gnu.org

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 4mo ago

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@vnikolov@ieji.de @screwlisp@gamerplus.org @kentpitman@climatejustice.social I actually did mean "stuff" :)

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 4mo ago

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@screwlisp@gamerplus.org @kentpitman@climatejustice.social The way you state it is ambiguous. Cost in what terms? What kind of report? Does it require extensive literature search? Data processing? Depending on answers to these questions, the result will vary between AI is absolutely more superior to AI is a total waste of resources that also produces useless result.

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 4mo ago

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@screwlisp@gamerplus.org @kentpitman@climatejustice.social One of the speakers mentioned that all the resources should be channelled to fight the climate change (evena pausing the usual development). This makes me wonder what kind of resources are *already* dedicated to fight climate issues. I know that in EU there is a lot of focus on recycling, sustainability, and green energy. China is going green energy big time. Any other? What makes the biggest impact in practice? (IMHO, 100% dedication is naive; it won't happen).

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 4mo ago

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@screwlisp@gamerplus.org @marcoxa@mastodon.social @mdhughes@appdot.net @me The constant (often redundant) type checking in Elisp is one of the bottlenecks for performance. It is necessary to avoid runtime crashes on C level, and type optimizations have a lot of potential here (IMHO). I think this area may benefit from input from someone familiar with compilers. I do not recall anyone apart from the author - Andrea Corallo who seriously works on these things in Emacs.

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 4mo ago

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@screwlisp@gamerplus.org @marcoxa@mastodon.social @mdhughes@appdot.net @me This makes me wonder if you are up to date about native compilation of Elisp.

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 4mo ago

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@vnikolov@ieji.de @screwlisp@gamerplus.org @bagder@mastodon.social @me This approach has many limitations, and https://github.com/polymode/polymode attempts to do more. But polymode is fragile. Emacs major mode system is not designed for such use. (There have been two feature requests in the past on emacs-devel for multiple major modes, but even the design of such support was not entirely clear)

GitHub

GitHub - polymode/polymode: Framework for Multiple Major Modes in Emacs (core library)

Framework for Multiple Major Modes in Emacs (core library) - polymode/polymode

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 4mo ago

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@mdhughes@appdot.net oh. I was talking about "Syncthing". You were talking about generic syncing. Just talking past each other

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 4mo ago

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@screwlisp@gamerplus.org Just don't forget to tell me how to join :)

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 4mo ago

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@screwlisp@gamerplus.org I remember. But I will need to know the room name before I join.

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 4mo ago

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@publicvoit@graz.social @screwlisp@gamerplus.org Ok. Removed.

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 4mo ago

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@publicvoit@graz.social @screwlisp@gamerplus.org Org mode never restricted the ways how to use the markup. There are all kinds of weird use cases, but it does not mean they should be prohibited.

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 4mo ago

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@screwlisp@gamerplus.org @publicvoit@graz.social And yeah, I want to avoid the markdown syntax plague :)

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 4mo ago

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@publicvoit@graz.social @screwlisp@gamerplus.org But it should not be an obstacle from keeping the tools page and your orgdown wiki in sync, or should it?

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 4mo ago

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@screwlisp@gamerplus.org @publicvoit@graz.social There is no way we claim leadership on other implementations. The idea is to make it easier for projects outside Org/Emacs to keep the compatibility. Proper syntax specification is one idea. Another is standard testing suite for parsers.

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 4mo ago

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@screwlisp@gamerplus.org If you have something specific planned, feel free. My list is just tentative list of topics. We may or may not cover it. Or cover it partially.

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 4mo ago

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@publicvoit@graz.social @screwlisp@gamerplus.org I recommend adding them to https://orgmode.org/tools.html That's more visible. But not proprietary, please.

orgmode.org

Org Mode

Org-mode. Complex so you don

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 4mo ago

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@screwlisp@gamerplus.org yes

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 4mo ago

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@screwlisp@gamerplus.org

#+name: prints #+begin_src elisp :var x=() :results verbatim (print x) #+end_src

#+RESULTS: prints : nil

#+name: list

foo
- bar
  - baz

#+call: prints(list)

#+RESULTS: : ("foo")

(I am not sure how you got the second one)

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 5mo ago

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@camelliakyoto@mastodon.social That reminds of the Garden of harmony

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 5mo ago

Replying to

@kravietz@agora.echelon.pl @tarsius@fosstodon.org @screwlisp@gamerplus.org @marcoxa@mastodon.social @minad@mastodon.world @oantolin@mathstodon.xyz @paniash@mstdn.social That indeed looks more promising.

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 5mo ago

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@screwlisp@gamerplus.org @oantolin@mathstodon.xyz @minad@mastodon.world @tarsius@fosstodon.org @paniash@mstdn.social I actually have no idea whether Org is more stable than Emacs. It is hard to judge for me - I am exposed to every bug reported after each release, so my view is always biased. That said, we have a set of maintenance rules that are fairly conservative wrt breakage: https://orgmode.org/worg/org-maintenance.html#guidelines https://orgmode.org/worg/org-contribute.html#patch-review Ironically, we just had a breaking change to in org-babel-lob-ingest in Org 9.8 release. See https://orgmode.org/Changes.html

orgmode.org

Org maintenance

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 5mo ago

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@screwlisp@gamerplus.org @oantolin@mathstodon.xyz @minad@mastodon.world @tarsius@fosstodon.org @paniash@mstdn.social Sure. Sunday, May 17, 2026, 10am Warsaw time is ok for me.

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 5mo ago

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@screwlisp@gamerplus.org @paniash@mstdn.social @tarsius@fosstodon.org @minad@mastodon.world @oantolin@mathstodon.xyz Ok. I think I can see how it can useful from my perspective. 0UTC does not work with my timezone, but 8UTC does work - it will be 10am Warsaw time. (Although, I have to say that climate takes I saw in several recordings from the past raised questions)

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 5mo ago

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@screwlisp@gamerplus.org @paniash@mstdn.social @tarsius@fosstodon.org @minad@mastodon.world @oantolin@mathstodon.xyz Can you tell me more about the format?

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 5mo ago

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@vincent@merveilles.town @kickingvegas@sfba.social I would not underestimate badly written lsp servers.

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 5mo ago

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@tarsius@fosstodon.org @paniash@mstdn.social @screwlisp@gamerplus.org @minad@mastodon.world @oantolin@mathstodon.xyz Interesting that you also bind uo row. I do no like vim's hl to move left/right and re-bound it to io. So, I have jkio instead of jkhl. Naturally, that also gives up to move to the beginning/end of line, so that uiop are all about moving horizontally. Freeing up l also allow it to be bound to scrolling. For editing, I use M-, not C-. But my editing needs are mostly about moving things around (like Org hierarchy), not deleting.

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 4mo ago

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@mdhughes@appdot.net @amake@mastodon.social @me @bagder@mastodon.social @screwlisp@gamerplus.org Did you run into particular problems with syncthing?

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 5mo ago

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@paniash@mstdn.social @tarsius@fosstodon.org @minad@mastodon.world @oantolin@mathstodon.xyz Yes and no. Boon does not shadow Emacs bindings - they all continue to work. So, I can still do, say, C-x C-f (or even c f in boon). Also, boon disables editing bindings in special modes, so that even more original bindings do work. For the few remaining movement keys, I do define bindings separately.

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 4mo ago

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@publicvoit@graz.social @screwlisp@gamerplus.org FYI, headings as paragraphs is one of the use cases some people prefer. I recall seeing that in the archives. You may not like it, but that's a completely valid approach.

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 4mo ago

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@mdhughes@appdot.net @amake@mastodon.social @me @bagder@mastodon.social @screwlisp@gamerplus.org then how do you know about the problems?

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Ihor Radchenko (yantar92) @yantar92@fosstodon.org

· 4mo ago

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@publicvoit@graz.social @screwlisp@gamerplus.org So, we are back to my original comment - there seems to be tools on your page that are not listed on orgmode.org/tools.html. Would be nice to submit a patch against orgweb and add them.

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