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@cbarbermd@med-mastodon.com dude; this is ai slop

@UndeadMinotaur@infosec.exchangeI @jonn_blanchard@retrochat.online I mask in public. GTFO of here with this bullshit. Seriously, who do you think you are? Your moral compass is a twig.

@ariadne@social.treehouse.systems @neal@social.gompa.me @enigmatico@mk.absturztau.be @mgorny@social.treehouse.systems @Amorpheus@kind.social I can second this. Everywhere I've ever worked, and from basically everyone I know in the industry, FOSS is basically seen as a way to not do or pay labor. The most regard we get for FOSS is in the terms of "is there an MIT licensed version of this?"

@verdre@mastodon.social I actually keep running into OOM problems on linux so it's nice for you to point this out. It's handled *utterly* terribly. I've been trying to leverage EarlyOOM and Zram swap and it'shelped a lot, but the default exp is just utterly unacceptable

@richpuchalsky@mastodon.social @PhoenixSerenity@beige.party In part the problem is that internet infrastructure has been invested in and managed in a centralized way for so long that it takes significant investment of resources and time to develop any reasonable alternative that is trustless and decentralized. That, and for many more specific tasks the issue is just plainly more difficult to do in a decentralized!d manner. You end up needing to create and use CRDTs, a data archetype that is not at all a solved problem and still heavily worked on. Yet little adopted, since the incentive structure behind the economics prioritizes centralized infrastructure so that it can be held hostage for a price.

@jonn_blanchard@retrochat.online @UndeadMinotaur@infosec.exchange Covid is underprioritized by people precisely because it's a hard thing for humans to wrap their heads around psychologically; we don't do well with invisible, unknown/variable risks. Similarly the effect of boycotts are real but deferred and hard to comprehend. They remove money from the hands of fascist pricks. That being said, boycotts are weaksauce compared to general strikes, which are the purerer form of that kind of action, but the material effects in aggregate do real work. Part of what makes them weak in practice is precisely because it's hard to keep them up. People don't see the benefits directly, so in practice, in their brains, the cost/benefit analysis becomes muddled because, again, humans don't cope well with this shit. The entire capital system benefits from this. It's how capitalist pricks get away with doing terrible evil shit and still manage to sell things to everybody. Nestle owns several sub-brands and people just indirectly buy their shit even when they think and will say that they hate Nestle. It's a sickheaded kind of irony here, that this dynamic is so similar and yet you will take the tragedy of war and throw it aside just to announce your moral incoherence to everyone within 30 miles.

@kyle_pegasus@scalie.club @soc@chaos.social @zzt@mas.to @rootwyrm@weird.autos The topic of "gnomification" as one might put it, is also interesting to hear irt this, since one of the major consumers and developers of Smithay is Cosmic DE... which is explicitly being developed as a more featureful alternative to gnome. They even got in a relatively public spat where gnome devs basically said they dont think Cosmic devs could pull of making an accessible desktop. Not to mention Cinnamon, a fork of Gnome before they made everything disturbingly touch-centric irt UI, is also moving to Wayland. The Gnome alternatives seen quite at home at the alleged Gnome-Homogenization-Ray we're considering Wayland to be for the purposes of our conversation here...

@ariadne@social.treehouse.systems @neal@social.gompa.me @enigmatico@mk.absturztau.be @mgorny@social.treehouse.systems @Amorpheus@kind.social And if it's actively maintained? Even better! Now we "dont have to make fixes ourselves." It all precisely and cleanly leans to the upstream contributions. When you upstream it you no longer have to be worried about merging breaking changes. Now it's all on the maintainers.

@ariadne@social.treehouse.systems @neal@social.gompa.me @enigmatico@mk.absturztau.be @mgorny@social.treehouse.systems @Amorpheus@kind.social Frankly I've grown to appreciate traditional FSF-style licenses as basically industry donations. And beyond that the open source community as a whole effectively playing into the hands of corporate benefit. And to that end the ideology promoted irt FOSS seems disgustingly convenient for corporations and ultimately anti-worker. We need our own institutions. We cannot be deluded by false hope. Software developers, and all workers, deserve stable material conditions to support their work irrespective of the whims of capital.

@evacide@hachyderm.io I've always considered privacyguides to be pretty up to par because they use threat model labels! :P

@richpuchalsky@mastodon.social @PhoenixSerenity@beige.party And I would certainly agree with that critique. There are also a number of ways that this capacity can be significantly reduced on the infrastructure side. If identities and account content were managed in a decentralized manner, on-device, the ability of instance owners would be significant reduced. If you take this far enough, they'd have almost no power. See: DeltaChat, which is a good example of a communication platform that offers very little power to the instance/relay holders. The problem I have, then, is that your understanding of hosting a mastodon instance as "inherently suspicious" is so out of sorts with the observable incentive structures at play, as I see them, as to actually weaken your critique.

@chfkch@ruhr.social Oh? could you elaborate? I'm curious

@kyle_pegasus@scalie.club @soc@chaos.social @zzt@mas.to @rootwyrm@weird.autos What does wayland do to kill small DEs? I follow a dev who on their lonesome develops one: Niri. Are we talking about existing small projects, or is there some nuance of wayland that causes development issues I dont understand? Afaik there are two high quality bases for wayland compositors: wlroots and smithay. Niri uses smithay.

@kyle_pegasus@scalie.club @soc@chaos.social @zzt@mas.to @rootwyrm@weird.autos Oh, well no I can imagine that'd be difficult, with X11 being the default assumption for so long, you wouldnt have built up robust abstractions to decouple your code. I work on a large legacy codebase for my dayjob atm. Of course I understand the manpower. You have to do shit slowly piece by piece, and that takes months even with several full-time devs. I thought you meant *from scratch*. I even basically outright asked that? You almost sounded like making a wayland compositor was a fools' errand compared to a X11 DE. I was wondering if there was s(mething I missedx As for screen capture protocols, we do have those finally: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Wayland-Merges-Screen-Capture Using Niri, I've never had screen cast issues. And I think the latest they had to put more effort into was to do with pipewire streams (yes pipewire is now used for video too; i had no idea) so that webrtc support with browsers could work better. Yes this is non-trivial stuff, but a lot of *is* implemented in smithay, for instance (example: https://smithay.github.io/smithay/smithay/wayland/image_capture_source/index.html) And wlroots is actually the one that pioneered the early version of these protocols. Any compositor based on either would have to reimplement everything. Global hotkeys are really one of the last things I find really annoying. They work fine on Plasma, though, from what I recall.

@cwebber@social.coop this is why deltachat is based

@neal@social.gompa.me @ariadne@social.treehouse.systems @enigmatico@mk.absturztau.be @mgorny@social.treehouse.systems @Amorpheus@kind.social Wish it werent in the places I've been.

@neal@social.gompa.me @ariadne@social.treehouse.systems @enigmatico@mk.absturztau.be @mgorny@social.treehouse.systems @Amorpheus@kind.social Of course it isnt. Though the local orgs I support with foss tech pay much more regard to it. In part out of the selfish desire to have a stable software for their purposes (they dont have the resources to "do it themselves"), and also out of due regard to labor conditions. Though that's not particularly surprising given the steep difference in incentive structure

@neal@social.gompa.me @ariadne@social.treehouse.systems @enigmatico@mk.absturztau.be @mgorny@social.treehouse.systems @Amorpheus@kind.social Ah that makes a lot more sense. Though this is a far cry from the company itself. Mostly I'd put this in terms of labor bargaining where the individual employee applies their leverage for results.

@neal@social.gompa.me @ariadne@social.treehouse.systems @enigmatico@mk.absturztau.be @mgorny@social.treehouse.systems @Amorpheus@kind.social I'm g|ad you had that experience. Unfortunately I've never had it :/ I think it's also important to point out the incentive structures here; There's no real reason for a profit-optimizing machine to support FOSS beyond what directly benefits them. No, it's the humans within it. I mean, the thrust of your example here is really about the social sway you had in convincing the company to do more. From the beginning, of course, the only motivations we can presume of a corporation is that which creates profit. Hurting the bottom line notably at all in pursuit of helping FOSS, we can all likely agree, is not something you could reasonably expect to fly. From there we understand that when companies contribute back to FOSS independent of self-serving motivations, it is an accessory to their existing practices, rarely if ever an outright focus of their day-to-day operations. Could we call such a thing sustainable? The FOSS software ecosystem has been evaluated by some sources at reaching upwards of $9 trillion in valuation (in estimated costs of having to rewrite it all, basically). When looked at from this perspective, perhaps you can see why I view it this way. The personal focus is made negligible in scope of tapping into such a vast resource. From this bird eye's view, these personal traits are mere accessories to that labor leverage, unfortunately.

@richpuchalsky@mastodon.social On the note of group policies; those are certainly most ideal, but many people often find themselves with not many other people they know with the same passion and drive to start such a project. Frequently none. I myself host a nextcloud for several groups as its lone administrator. And not out of choice. I've been looking for someone to share the load (and also balance against my power, I dont like having unilateral control over so much.). The people I serve are not technically literate, and so dont know how to vet people for this or even why I find it so important. It's frustrating. The problem is: coordination, collaboration? It's hard. And it's especially hard in a society that conditions people to be infantilized by tech. But it is so very very important. However if you mix the strain of hosting the project on top of it... it becomes even more unreasonable to expect a robust group with guidelines and policies AND the solution instead of just some random person doing it in their free time as basically a hobby. It's such a pervasive problem, the lack of material incentive but surplus of unreasonable drive, related to the software and tech community as a whole that it's a frequent joke: https://xkcd.com/2347/

@jonn_blanchard@retrochat.online @UndeadMinotaur@infosec.exchange Masking is important and I suggest it of everybody, especially here in America where our health system is also now ran by a complete and utter moron who throws his kids in sewer-infested water and claims Tylenol causes autism. It was important way before that, and never stopped being important, and I am livid at the Biden admin for sweeping the sustained harms under the rug just to appease the terrible economic system we're under. But if people were not masking then, they should definitely be masking now. There's no reality where you should trust our national health system to be reliable, atp. However, how you persuade people isn't going to be replyguy moral puritanical shit in their replies that's fucking batshit insane. Frankly I think the only true solution, given how hard it is to motivate people to mask, even when their friends were recently sick and I can show them stats about increased virus content in the wastewater, is from the societal level. We need contact tracing. We need better indoor ventilation. So on.