Tin Tvrtković

@hynek I think we have the same person in mind, and came to the same conclusion. My dude, if I, a principal-level engineer (allowing a moment of non-humility here) with 15 years of industry experience cannot prompt the best coding model well enough to produce code that's commitable without significant changes I very much doubt a PM can. Or was everyone just pushing garbage to prod all this time and I was unaware?

@mitsuhiko Wake me up when someone vibeforks Claude itself

@carlton @hynek @davidism 🍿🍿

@hynek@mastodon.social counterpoint: do you really want to see all the replies?

@hynek@mastodon.social @carlton@chaos.social that was a job ago. I wish I had that here

@carlton@chaos.social the argument goes that refactoring into a more abstract service layer on-demand runs into the risk of it being done inexpertly and inconsistently. Which I understand. I guess, like many things in software engineering, the right call here depends on the people involved and not the technical arguments one way or another

@carlton@chaos.social disregarding specific libraries, there's definitely a rich discussion to be had around application architecture and complexity management here, and I think your entry here adds to it thoughtfully. I personally fall into the camp where I'll happily put the business logic meat into the "view", eschewing a service layer until the codepath needs to be shared. I have folks at $DAYJOB arguing otherwise, and not without merit.

@DRMacIver@mastodon.social omg write another library (just kidding, congrats and good luck!)

@DRMacIver@mastodon.social <3

@hynek [VSauce voice] or maybe... Maybe they can take the stack trace and run it through an LLM to have it generate an error message for you. Problem solved, AI bubble pop averted

@carlton @djangochat @nessita @wsvincent I was just about to say, jump on the CalVer train already 😇

@ambv@mastodon.social "I had an excuse but I forgot it" is something I'm going to store to use on a standup someday

@sscherfke@mastodon.social @hynek@mastodon.social https://docs.python.org/3/library/datetime.html#datetime.datetime.fromisoformat ?

@marcelotryle@fosstodon.org @carlton@fosstodon.org not sure about files, but you could monkey patch sockets with a threadlocal which blows up if used in a blocking way in an asyncio thread. Would have to do it early in the startup process though

@tikhonov_a there's already a MISSING sentinel in dataclasses, modelled after attrs.NOTHING. Consider re-exporting that? As for patch operations, I usually use a TypedDict with total=False or NotRequired[T] fields. I find it works pretty well.

@tikhonov_a good point about MISSING. For the typeddict approach I just check if the key is in there, no .get()

@carlton@chaos.social baby is still too demanding for conferences I'm afraid. Will have to wait until next year. Hynek is also pressuring me to get back out there 😇

@anentropic@fosstodon.org naming is always the hardest problem ;)