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@lewd@zug.network The EU rules state each country is supposed to provide a catalog of at least NetEx feeds. This is a complicated format, so voluntarily providing GTFS is also common (rarely this is done instead of NetEx which is technically wrong, but works for most people). But some still have nothing, almost a decade later. The current government in Poland said something about getting around to making a proper NAP and national trip planner, but I haven't heard of any actual progress on that. In Italy for a while, only regional feeds comprising PSO services were available, recently a Trenitalia feed including commercial stuff was added and included in Transitous, but Italo is still missing as far as I know, for another example

There are screenshots of that for each of these routes, except for the one in Turkey. I admire the sheer dedication but that person needs to be introduced to OpenStreetMap-based tools posthaste ;) 10/ #UTKComparesRailPrices

@bovine3dom@masto.ai @wnd@fosstodon.org @jon@gruene.social I don't think there's any data for the UK and Norway there

So, what happened in Hungary in 2024? 2/

@lewd@zug.network There already is, a bunch of member states just don't care

@lewd@zug.network Well, Poland is the biggest one, our "National Access Point" is literally just a list of transportation companies and links to their websites with an implicit "Ask them, we have no idea, we don't want to have an idea"

The first ex-Bonn R1.1 tram has now entered passenger service in Poznań, although MPK remains tight-lipped on whether they will be acquiring the contract maximum of 24 units: https://www.rynek-kolejowy.pl/wiadomosci/mpk-poznan-co-z-kolejnymi-tramwajami-z-bonn-126924.html #tram #Poznań #tramwaj #Bonn

These are rather diverse routes, but I guess the idea is to have similar journey times, roughly 3 hours? 4/

They sorted the price chart be difference between early and late booking! …And the Polish Pendolino is number two, somehow! (See page 17 in the original report for the full one) I'm kind of surprised by the Frecciarossa being the most expensive last-minute at €125 (and just barely short of the AVE at a month out at ~€68 - I guess affordable AVE tickets sell out earlier?) 6/ #UTKComparesRailPrices

Then there's a page on booking horizons and the only one as short as Poland's is in Turkey. Well, I did now *we* were behind 5/

Okay, so the methodology for the core price comparison (this is meant to show the wisdom of Open Access, is it) is that they took the one of the most important domestic routes in each country, looked at the highest-category trains, on midweek Tuesday-Thursday dates in November-mid-December, between 8 and 10 AM. They compared prices 30 days ahead (Polish booking horizon yay) and 1 day ahead, in 2nd class or whatever equivalent could be found, non-refundable where that was an option, converted to Euros. Now, the choice of routes is… kinda interesting. (trains divided as in original report) PL - EIP Warsaw-Kraków (who would've guessed - please keep in mind that those are significantly more expensive than other trains in Poland) High-speed: FR - TGV InOui Paris-Marseille ES - AVE Madrid-Barcelona IT - FR Rome-Milan SE - Snabbtåg Stockholm-Gothenburg TR - YHT Ankara-İstanbul Non-high-speed: DE - ICE Berlin-Hamburg (how much are you willing to bet they picked this one specifically to avoid what high-speed rail Germany does have?) CH - IC Zurich-Geneva FI - IC Helsinki-Tampere HU - IC Budapest-Debrecen GB - London-Birmigham (I'm not going to call it an IC like they do) AT - EC Vienna-Graz (predates Koralmbahn) CZ - EC Prague-Brno (so in these two cases they've clearly opted to avoid routes with developed open access competition… But not in Spain or Sweden?) 3/

@rail@social.flufftech.net How can you make such a small shop so confu… Oh, right, cramming a dozen half-aisles in it and not marking them in any way so you have to look closely at the merchandise to have even a general idea what the layout is will do that

@lewd@zug.network And there don't seem to be any particular penalties for non-compliance? Although I do also wonder how things might change with the new, expanded rules on data interchange on the railways in particular

@bovine3dom@masto.ai @ptrc@social.treehouse.systems Yeah, insane that the RJXs exist in German, Austrian and Hungarian versions, all of which are cut at the borders

@bovine3dom@masto.ai Today was painful (petition to exclude Turkey until TCDD releases open timetable data), also because I lost a couple attempts to bugs that caused missed changes that should have succeeded, but I did eventually manage to beat you through the use of a ruler ;) (3d 9h 26m, it's closer to walk from Lunteren) On the other hand, praise for the new speed switcher! If only I didn't have to use it quite so often #fahrtle

@ptrc@social.treehouse.systems That was well done :D I could only beat you by employing Sardinian Sacrilege (13h 13m 23s)

@lewd@zug.network Presumably because they don't expect the heating to keep up with the tempurature dropping deep into freezing as you climb?

@tml@mementomori.social @partim@social.tchncs.de Well, you've gotta be careful there, Nikołaj is a rendition of the Russian version

@partim@social.tchncs.de To complete the tour, you'd need to visit Frombork, but that hasn't been served by rail in a while, sadly

@partim@social.tchncs.de In the background, an underpass that *used to be* double-track, but there was no room maintain that with electrification, so now it's a tiny single track section on an otherwise doubled line

@jon@gruene.social What *is* Umbria running on the Direttissima? It doesn't look like it connects much of its territory, unless this is about stuff that runs local in Umbria and then express to Rome?

@mgorny@mastodon.com.pl @rail@social.flufftech.net się podobało

And at the low end both UK long-distance and EIP are 0.23%. So I guess I can now say Pendolino prices are for us somewhat like British prices except less terminology and there are plentiful options that are actually affordable 9/ #UTKComparesRailPrices

Then they decided to derive price per 100 km as share of monthly salary. Unsurprisingly, UK last minute takes the cake at a whopping 1.05%, EIP last minute distorts the stats at 0.77%… And on the other end of the scale is the TGV at 0.18%? How degressive is SNCF's tariff? 8/ #UTKComparesRailPrices

@rail@social.flufftech.net And the weird bit for those who did see one is that this is doing a very short route! Why would the state involve itself in running feeders? Commuter routes? Isn't that a région thing? How can you out-French the French famously unitary to a fault État? And what's up with the lack of seats right in the freaking doors? Crazy, those Poles, I tell you!

@rail@social.flufftech.net The one virtue of the bigger ones I can think of is that there's actual room in the checkout area

#PKPIC planning to double Kraków-Bielsko-Biała ICs to 8 pairs in 2 hour Takt from 2026/7 timetable, travel time down to 1h10m, 3 pairs running through to Żywiec. This route probably looks weird to German (why is this not an RE?) and French (What is this weird not-TGV not-TER thing?) eyes, but it makes a lot of sense in our weird organization of passenger rail! https://www.rynek-kolejowy.pl/wiadomosci/pkp-intercity-bedzie-wiecej-pociagow-krakow--bielskobiala-126985.html #kolej #rail #PKP #Kraków #Bielsko-Biała #Żywiec #CrossRegionRail

@rail@social.flufftech.net Yeah, a Coradia Liner Intercités is probably the closest thing. I wonder what percentage of French people has even seen one :P

@maartje@blahaj.social I thought Essen was in Belgium, though /s

On the Diesel front, #PKPIC likely to continue renting Diesel locos from #ČD for another 2 years despite promises that use of 754s would be abandoned: https://www.rynek-kolejowy.pl/wiadomosci/pkp-intercity-nurki--lokomotywy-754-zostana-na-dluzej-126930.html #kolej #rail #ČeskéDráhy

@wrzlbrnft@troet.cafe @Kolkrabin@mastodon.social There are the gauge-changing Yamagata and Akita Shinkansen branching out from the Tōhoku Shinkansen, though

@wrzlbrnft@troet.cafe Did you mean Hachinohe? Or are we talking about slightly different things? …It seems rather hard to believe but perhaps the English settings on the machine weren't properly tested?

@Lili@donotsta.re @_r@donotsta.re @bovine3dom@masto.ai @ptrc@social.treehouse.systems No, I just took the S-Tog back down to the main bus terminal at Dybbølsbro to minimize walking

@bovine3dom@masto.ai @Lili@donotsta.re @ptrc@social.treehouse.systems Huh, so I guess that means slowing the game down do realtime at the second-to-last stop and waiting can gain you seconds?

@lewd@zug.network Yeah, I think that's roughly correct. Norway is best in that it provides not just data, but also open sources the tools they make and probably the best NetEx docs you don't have to pay standardization comittee ransom for. Other than that, in Western and Northern Europe it's probably not a problem except for a few signups and missing private operators, I think? East and south-east, though, a good bunch of places work only because volunteers put in the work of jumping through a bunch of hoops and republished the data, sometimes, like with Polish rail, having to convert it from proprietary formats used internally, from what I heard. You can look in the 'feeds' folder of the Transitous repo on GitHub to see where they are gathering data from

@ptrc@social.treehouse.systems @Lili@donotsta.re @_r@donotsta.re @bovine3dom@masto.ai Okay, I've managed to undercut all of you by bypassing Budapest for 1d 4h 53m 53s :P Doing so by following roughly the same route as Oliver (slightly Hafas-assisted to figure out when's the best ICE south, I'll admit) but changing in Győr to an express bus bound for Pécs, which gets you to Székesfehérvár in time for the previous bihourly train along the northen shore of the Balaton. Also decided I could use more certainty with the Kraków-bound FlixBus, so took Metro+S-tog from the airport Don't think we're beating the car here, though: 🚆 14:40 EC 147 Budapest-Keleti 🚆 15:28 Budapest-Keleti 🚍 16:00 1707 Győr-Székesfehérvár-Szekszárd-Pécs 🚌 17:26 36 Székesfehérvár, vasútállomás 🚆 17:51 Tapolca 🚍 19:20 7682 Dörgicse, autóbusz-forduló 🐢 1h 37m 30s slower than driving

@wrzlbrnft@troet.cafe The route as depicted (note that that was 25 years ago) is Tōkyō->Kawasaki->Shitte->Hama-Kawasaki->Tsurumi->Chigasaki->Hashimoto->Hachiōji->Takasaki->Oyama->Tomobe->Abiko->Narita->Chiba->Soga->Hatchōbori. A significantly longer route is possible these days (the area is continually expanding to match the Suica expansion), and the rule states it is technically not required to complete the trip on the same day, but I don't think you'd be allowed to overnight within the ticket area… Japanese Wikipedia states such overnight trips are usually taken on New Year's Eve when trains run on special all-night schedules

@wrzlbrnft@troet.cafe Looks like the problem was a fallen tree, or 倒木 (tōboku), which Google Translate misheard as Tōhoku… It seems like the only way to get a timeline of this information is to look at their X (formerly Twitter) or LINE accounts, go figure 🫠 Wonder where the photo in this post is from: https://xcancel.com/JRE_Super_Exp/status/2028981626915701209#m

@bovine3dom@masto.ai "Unfortunately" because I prefer trains, or what was your question? …And yeah, a "Prague main station" in Nusle is not something I would've noticed without you pointing it out to me XD

@kravietz

It’s not a typo, the last number is really "28"

Uhh, I think you typoed the number in that sentence, ironically XD

@wrzlbrnft@troet.cafe Japanese Wikipedia says these trains are equipped with seiriken dispensers, maybe you're supposed to to the bus thing - take a ticket when boarding and pay when getting off if using a normal single? Funnily enough, the page also says you are allowed to travel from Sannohe (or any other station in-between) to Hachinohe without paying for the purpose of buying a ticket at the staffed counter

@bovine3dom@masto.ai Also, judging from the border points listed in the timetable (with no passenger service) it looks like it takes a route via Brașov or thereabouts, with crossings in Albița, Nagylak, Rajka, Břeclav. It's a daily (well, nightly) service that goes to Liberec 4 days out of 7, and either on one day service is run with two coaches, one from each company, or there's something weirder in the data

@partim@social.tchncs.de I did @ you on: https://mastodon.com.pl/@HaTetsu/115994932764087168

@tml@mementomori.social For this unique journey, you will be required to bring:

• bedding for your berth, see attached size and weight requirements
• food and drink for the whole journey, no catering service
• any toiletries as you might require
• an expectation that your trip will be a lot slower than you're used to If you don't want to be stuck in the carriage during our numerous long stops:
• proof of having passed safety training required for moving around railway premises of Trafikverket, Banedanmark, DB InfraGo, ÖBB Infra and RFI (special combined abbreviated session organized at ... for the price of ...)
• proof of working knowledge of the Swedish, Danish, German and Italian languages

Hi-Vis vests provided by organizers. Train will not wait for stragglers except as scheduled.

RE: https://typo.social/@behdad/116172838540880597 Chwila żałoby. Twórca biblioteki krytycznej w procesie renderowania tekstu w wielu systemach pisma dał się wciągnąć głęboko w dziurę "AI za ciebie napisze" - HarfBuzz jest praktycznie wymagany przez jakiekolwiek wolne oprogramowanie do GUI i nie ma jak tego zapiaskownicować, wyciąć, ani nic :(

@wrzlbrnft@troet.cafe My guess is that adding the adjective ending -i makes the name sound cuter and less boring than just using the name of the prefecture, which means "blue/green forest" (green was historically considered a shade of blue in the CJK sphere - green traffic lights are still called blue in Japan to this day, for example) - with the -i it spells out Blue Forest in a more literal sense, hence the blue livery, logo with cutesy blue trees growing out of the train and such

@Lili@donotsta.re @_r@donotsta.re @bovine3dom@masto.ai @ptrc@social.treehouse.systems Guess so

Ah, yes, Moldova, the Czech exclave XD @bovine3dom@masto.ai, the SJ night train could use more stops for dropping off passengers along the way, so unfortunately, changing to FlixBus in Malmö is the faster way, beat you by a couple hours for 3d 2h

@bovine3dom@masto.ai Ah, that. Well, looks like it does, weirdly, although it's possible the departure time is given in CET and not EET as it should. Looks like the route is jointly run by two Moldovan companies using a Czech intermediary to handle their obligations there? You can check these coach and regional bus lines from Czech systems at https://portal.cisjr.cz/Search.aspx?c=7&mi=2