@eloquence@social.coop I'll accept that: one term confuses purpose, the other confuses culture. Both are kinda tainted.. I like the appeal of newer terms like "communal", "emancipatory", etcetera.
I suppose the fact that you and I, while generally agreeing on the better and worse aspects of the scene, can argue on the relative bad-ness of the two older terms is proof enough that it's time to move on from them both. But we had better move quickly to get out the new mission and branding because, as you say, people are going to fall off the better parts of Libre software and land in merely "open", or worse "shared source", or some other neolib rebranding.