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@martinlentink@mastodon.social @Bart@todon.eu @Abelvicent@mastodon.social No. *Your* letting them. kinda a horrid thing to admit too, isn't it? don't you care? won't even apologize? those of us who care about the planet are doing everything in our power to stop them. if you think your 'letting them' learn from revolutionaries, and do more.

@joenepraat@todon.nl very sorry, we didn't mean that they were, nor believed you thought or stated such. I recognize we phrased it very poorly. We meant that just as we can't know for sure they- the individual at fault, not the non-western far right as a whole- were non-western yet, as you said. Even if they were confirmed that, not that they are, we still couldn't know if the western right wing didn't push them- the individual in question, not non-western far right groups- didn't get them to commit that act. Even if they, individually, were a part of any non-western far right groups, it may have been watching or engadging with western far right online that pushed them too it. Places like 4chan, reddit, youtube, they have much more porous barriers, let alone considering who they talk too irl. So while its usually easy to know what a groups aims are, its much more difficult to know what a individuals motives and inspiration were, even if they were a part of a group with stated aims. Its another reason to not give any legitimacy to right wing claims, especially considering how broadly and extremely they themselves advocate horrible reppressive violence.

@Shrigglepuss@godforsaken.website Thank you for spreading awareness of this, we had no idea of this much. And google powers mozilla.. Fascists arm in arm all abouts.

the fact #artfight enjoys forcing everyone to not be able to edit attacks, to not know what the attack will look like before posting, *and* to not be able to post any form of attack after deadline, after years of operation and surely dozens if not hundreds of people experience stress and anxiety as a consequence of this, when it would take less than 30 minutes to fix. is a damning indightment on the entire site and everyone with any power to change this within it. i'm so sick of people in power not giving a damn about the fact they *have power*. if you don't want to put in even the slightest bit of effort to ease the burden on your communities, don't make them. don't give yourself power. let someone who cares have it.

@joenepraat@todon.nl also, even if it is a non-western far right asshole- ie is middle eastern and muslim as they claim. Thats no garuntee that western far right assholes aren't part of what pushed them to be far right. And as far as I know, barring a complete public release of their internet history or direct admission from them, theres no way to be certain that they weren't. If far right media or friends were what pushed them to this, shouldn't we put at least as much blame on those? Though of course I can't speak for the victims.