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@Michcioperz@a.nom.pl @lain@pleroma.soykaf.com oh no you have to read the comments instead of aggregating the feedback in your hadoop cluster

@lain@pleroma.soykaf.com uh, the same problem again:

• don't want to lose job
• can't have job without doing anythin
• let's make useless stuff and convince others they actually need it

@lain@pleroma.soykaf.com Eh, I don't get why some people want analytics so badly. Before the internet, there was no analytics, and we lived, and the companies were making profit. So why do they need analytics now?

@lain@pleroma.soykaf.com

• don't want to go bankrupt
• we know how to make useless stuff
• concince people that they want to buy our useless stuff
• ...
• profit

@Michcioperz@a.nom.pl @lain@pleroma.soykaf.com Btw why are bussinesses so afraid of interacting with customers?

@lain@pleroma.soykaf.com like, some companies do nothing useful, they just trick people into wanting their products

@cj@i.write.codethat.sucks @quad@masto.quad.moe @howl@social.zxq.co @lain@pleroma.soykaf.com s/propose/figure out/

@alxcndr@mastodon.social also, democracy isn't perfect either. People vote based on emotion, not on what's ratinally best for them.

@alxcndr@mastodon.social look how communism worked in Poland, before it was abolished

@cj@i.write.codethat.sucks @quad@masto.quad.moe @lain@pleroma.soykaf.com @howl@social.zxq.co were they really doing that? Anyway, that's still less invasive than tracking mouse cursor movement on websites. I don't mind publishers sifting through webserver access logs to figure out who (IP, user agent) opens which URLs. But anything clientside is too much IMO.

@cj@i.write.codethat.sucks @quad@masto.quad.moe @howl@social.zxq.co @lain@pleroma.soykaf.com What I'm trying to do is propose some policy we can all agree on, and then advocate for it.

@quad@masto.quad.moe @howl@social.zxq.co @lain@pleroma.soykaf.com @cj@i.write.codethat.sucks So we don't like membership cards, but it's ok, since we can always refuse to use them. What is evil is when the tracking is not opt-in. Right?

@alxcndr@mastodon.social @howl@social.zxq.co @lain@pleroma.soykaf.com so IOW, capitalism is one of the forces that govern the world, but not the only one. Letting it be only one would be like saying "we have gravity, it's enough, we don't need electromagnetic, or nuclear forces anymore, the wourld should work with just gravity"

@alxcndr@mastodon.social @howl@social.zxq.co @lain@pleroma.soykaf.com isn't it the same about denying that gravity is the source of airplane disasters? Also, what do you propose instead of capitalism?

@alxcndr@mastodon.social @howl@social.zxq.co @lain@pleroma.soykaf.com IIRC @glaurungo@niu.moe thinks that it could be balanced, eg. by forbidding publicly-owned companies, or even forcing companies to be owned by a single person/family, or by forcing good product labelling.

@alxcndr@mastodon.social ok, tell me more about how you'd want the economy to work then

@alxcndr@mastodon.social but then there are no incentives for people to do their best. There's no feedback loop.

@alxcndr@mastodon.social Screw innovation, they're not even gonna do their average. They'll slack around and do the easiest possible thing. When they're in a position to make decisions, they'll make stupid decisions because they they don't bear the consequences.

@alxcndr@mastodon.social ok, let's say that we have a vote on whether we should invest in special docks for importing natural gas from Kuwait via ships, so that not all our gas comes from Russia. How do you expect non-experts (i.e. majority of people) to know if such investment is a good idea? They don't have idea how this whole transfer-gas-by-ship works.

@alxcndr@mastodon.social the biggest free software projects are produced at least in part by people who are paid for it. Also, how big a percentage of software developers works on free software? and how big a percentage just wants to do anything that's not coding?

@trwnh@mastodon.social @Michcioperz@a.nom.pl @lain@pleroma.soykaf.com or their contact form, for that matter

@lain@pleroma.soykaf.com this is whole companies

@howl@social.zxq.co @lain@pleroma.soykaf.com sounds like a good candidate for regulation. Let's see how they'll deal with GDPR

@dwmatiz @lain@pleroma.soykaf.com This confirms what I've said many times before: free market, when left alone to do whatever it wants, leads to pathology.